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Old 11-04-2008, 11:14 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Looks like the Democrats got control in both the House and Senate. That is never a good thing.
Heres to hoping for real political change
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:20 PM   #42 (permalink)
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McCain's speech was definitely classy. Too bad his supporters were yelling shit the whole time.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:21 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:37 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Now, if he can just keep it in his pants....
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:57 PM   #45 (permalink)
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I now know how some people must feel on Superbowl Sunday.
as do i.

for once during an election im ecstatic.

the sad thing is, im already hearing people talking about weather he will get shot or not.


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Old 11-04-2008, 11:59 PM   #46 (permalink)
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I'm happy Obama won but I didn't like his speech at all.
His use of pathos makes it really hard for me to take him seriously. I don't like it when a politician appeals to people's emotions instead of their logic and I don't think it's a good foundation for a presidency.

Also I believe he's overrated as a speaker as he seems lost without a teleprompter. I wasn't fully convinced of his performances at the debates. If you look at his speech today you can see that his view always moves from one teleprompter to another, he never looks straight forward. I realize that it's not easy to speak freely under such circumstances but McCain did much better in my opinion.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:20 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Mccains Speech was tight, just wish he would've dropped the Lincoln quote from AMerican History X, thought it would've gelled better than Obama's usage.

Cheers to Obama, didn't vote for him, respect the man, respect the office, interested to see where the next two years will take us. Hoping against hope the Dems don't get 60 in the senate.

Was amazed at how Rove talked on Fox.

Anybody else think Jesse Jackson was trying to garner too much attention with his crocodile tears on the tube???
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:35 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Is it just me or does this feel like a populist win? There are celebrations in the streets. There seems to be a lot of ownership in this win.

I don't recall seeing this sort of reaction before (for either Dem or Rep wins).
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:37 AM   #49 (permalink)
 
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I'm happy Obama won but I didn't like his speech at all.
His use of pathos makes it really hard for me to take him seriously. I don't like it when a politician appeals to people's emotions instead of their logic and I don't think it's a good foundation for a presidency.

Also I believe he's overrated as a speaker as he seems lost without a teleprompter. I wasn't fully convinced of his performances at the debates. If you look at his speech today you can see that his view always moves from one teleprompter to another, he never looks straight forward. I realize that it's not easy to speak freely under such circumstances but McCain did much better in my opinion.
But isn't this what they always do?
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:03 AM   #50 (permalink)
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this is the first time I felt like I was voting for someone instead of 'lesser of 2 evils' and as a speaker felt like I was listening to an honest, smart adult rather than a sleeze

who knows what'll happen. with the market jump tomorrow ? will banks ease up and lend ?

yep, party in the streets of seattle. never saw that either
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:48 AM   #51 (permalink)
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Old 11-05-2008, 03:39 AM   #52 (permalink)
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I couldn't be happier.

For those who don't get the crocodile tears and the emotion, think back to JFK or ask your parents.

When a majority of Americans and every other country on our globe see a man who can take this country back to a place it hasn't seen in years (a little pride, maybe?) it evokes a lot of emotion.

I'm sure we'll read many articles and view many pieces on this, but Jesse Jackson and millions of others were in tears last night. It's difficult to believe this has really happened and blacks and those who backed him with passion realized the burden that's on his shoulders already.

We should all be crying tears of joy and tears of fear. He's a brave man to tackle such an impossible agenda.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:20 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I believe that given the choices, surprisingly, the better choice was made. So congratulations to Americans for that.

I will reserve my judgment for when Obama actually starts calling the shots and effecting changes. But I think he's alright.

Well done. It is clearly an historic moment for the US, to have its first African-American President. Whether that is or should be relevant or not is another story.
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Old 11-05-2008, 04:26 AM   #54 (permalink)
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No idea about how effective Obama will be, but it's hard not to think he won't be an order of magnitude better than the train wreck that has been the USA for the last 8 years under the worst president you lot ever had.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:14 AM   #55 (permalink)
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:42 AM   #56 (permalink)
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I see the results of this election giving people hope. I sincerely wish that the people will take this hope and turn that inspiration into real action on a community level and not expect this man or the office to provide a solution to the problem we are facing today and in the future.
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:49 AM   #57 (permalink)
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It looks like NC is most likely being Demo. All I can say is WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Old 11-05-2008, 05:57 AM   #58 (permalink)
 
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it is the morning after the election.

what seems clear is that the defeat is bigger than the victory.
i watched faux news for a while last night after the results were clear. it was like visting a funeral parlor. they were holding a wake for their business model. this is reason to be cheerful.

i have no problem with folk who are conservative, but i have had a Big problem with the kind of conservatism that was front and center during the last 8 years. that conservatism has encountered its waterloo. and it was entirely of it's own making.
it'll be interesting to watch what happens with the republicans over the next year: they are in a difficult position. i hope they remake themselves, remake their language in particular.

i feel as if there is reason to think that things may be less barbaric. there is reason to think that the united states will not find itself a banana republic in 2 years. there is reason to think that perhaps a more humane form of capitalism might be created, a more rational global order. there is reason to think that maybe the benefits of these will reach more people, and produce a system that is more just, if only because there will be space in national politics to talk about things like social justice.

i do not think obama is a solution. i just think he is more open, more curious about the world, less ideologically blinkered. in a rapidly changing situation, we do not need another ideologue.

there are a host of problems that he will run straight into. the principal thing that will carry this new administration into these problems will be a kind of bump, a brief grace period in the context of which problems that otherwise would be intractable will hover in the air. i think there will be a period during which much of the world will say "hello. we've been waiting for sanity to come back to the states."

what matters is what happens after that.
but for the moment, i think this was a big big deal, this is a big deal.

i feel like the car i am in, which i am not driving, is backing away from the edge of something Very Bad.
that is my main emotion.
relief for its own sake.
a feeling that, despite everything, we didn't hit the wall.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:03 AM   #59 (permalink)
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What a night... I'm glad it's over and glad of the outcome, now I just hope that he can DO what he promised.

I really felt for McCain last night, hell the guy had my vote in 2000 before he got "Rick-Roved" in the primaries. I'm not sure who if anyone is to blame, but the major flaw in the McCain campaign was not letting McCain be McCain. He did set the stage for Palin as the new star of the GOP...should be interesting...
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:13 AM   #60 (permalink)
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I think the whole world breathed a sigh of relief. Obama to me was a clear cut winner, and hopefully, he'll lead the US back to prominence in the world.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:16 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Awesome. Wife cried a little when Obama won (Oh you Americans and your emotions). Feels like the US has a chance of being respected in the world again. Congrats guys and gals.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:27 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Is it just me or does this feel like a populist win? There are celebrations in the streets. There seems to be a lot of ownership in this win.

I don't recall seeing this sort of reaction before (for either Dem or Rep wins).
I live on a busy street in a county that went for Obama like 65%. We had people driving down our street all night honking their horns in celebration. It was AWESOME. We all giggled stupidly every time we heard it.
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Old 11-05-2008, 06:57 AM   #63 (permalink)
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Mark Warner was the first election called by CBS. Congratulations on your new shade of color, Virginia!

McCain's concession was tremendous. It makes me wonder what would have happened if McCain was allowed to run as McCain. I have a feeling the SNL spot and the speech were moments when he said, "ef you guys, I'm going to say what I want to say." Cal Thomas is chief idiot of America. In a world with Billy Cyrus, that's saying a lot.

The GOP is going to have to get their shit together from here on out. Stop the bowing to the religious right and embrace the crunchy cons.

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Is it just me or does this feel like a populist win? There are celebrations in the streets. There seems to be a lot of ownership in this win.
Popular, but not populist. Maybe populists for blacks. They represented 22% of the vote, while consisting of 12% of the population. Michael Baisden can claim a huge part of this election.
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McCain's speech was definitely classy. Too bad his supporters were yelling shit the whole time.
I prefer Dick Tuck's concession years ago in California:

"The people have spoken ... the bastards!"
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:46 AM   #65 (permalink)
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this is the first time I felt like I was voting for someone instead of 'lesser of 2 evils' and as a speaker felt like I was listening to an honest, smart adult rather than a sleeze

who knows what'll happen. with the market jump tomorrow ? will banks ease up and lend ?

yep, party in the streets of seattle. never saw that either

yea, we had fireworks here...

and you know, i was really kinda flat about the election till i heard obama speak and saw the different quality...Seriously, i don't know if i have ever been this happy voting....

amazing.

as for the market, they already priced in the obama transition, honestly, and will likely sell off a bit till the end of the year/he takes oath.

the market is funny that way. The dollar, however, jumped when obama was announced (against hte euro)
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Old 11-05-2008, 07:48 AM   #66 (permalink)
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I'm extremely pleased with how the vote went.

I look forward to the next four years.
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