is Obama a House Negro? - Tilted Forum Project - TFP - Sexuality, Philosophy and Political Discussion

dlish · 11-21-2008, 08:15 AM

carrying on from the obama being a target for anti americans thread...

http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/2008-us...mericans.html?

as i predicted, Obama has become the target of Islamists. a few days ago Al Qaeda no. 2 released a video calling Obama a house negro. Zawahiri took the term made popular by Malcolm X and used it to slur obama.

what i find amusing is that Al Qaeda is actually calling Obama out. or are they? what do you think of what zawahiri said? is it just a message to show that Al Qaeda is against anything american? is it a personal slur against Obama himself? will the slur have any effect on Obama or his policies?

personally, it wont change a thing, except to highlight to the world that Al Qaeda remains anti american to the core.

your thoughts?

abaya · 11-21-2008, 08:34 AM

My knee-jerk reaction was that Al Qaeda needs to get a friggin' life. If America wasn't conveniently available for them to hate, then I'm sure they'd be hating on another country, because why not? What else is there for them to do? What else gives them a reason for existence? They don't know how to function without an enemy. So I say fuck 'em, and whatever they say about Obama.

Jinn · 11-21-2008, 08:36 AM

I'd much rather they call Obama a house negro than blow up more buildings.

It's certainly not classy, but terrorism generally isn't.

roachboy · 11-21-2008, 08:56 AM

it's never been clear to me what the group is apart from the fact that the "war on terror" structurally required them to exist and they, assuming they're more than a few guys scurrying about western pakistan stopping from time to time to produce snippy videos, require the "war on terror" as a platform for publicity. but like any fading star, i think al-qeada is worried----they're worried about sinking back into being a few guys scurrying about the mountains of western pakistan rather than being the Big Scary Phantom they have been now that the bush administration, which has been so important for the Al-Qeada (tm) Brand and the Marketing that has Maintained and Expanded it are soon to be a thing of the past.

Cynosure · 11-21-2008, 08:57 AM

Calling our President-elect a "house negro" is obviously inflammatory and was designed to incite an emotional if not irrational response. I think we all should just ignore it. And I wish this Al Qaeda video would've gotten no press coverage whatsoever.

samcol · 11-21-2008, 09:02 AM

I think it's interesting how convienient this video is for the people who benefit from these foreign wars. This is the kind of thing that will allow Obama to continue the wars and all the domestic bullshit like homeland security etc. I dont feel he has any intention of ending the tyranny of the last 8 years.

This serves as a propaganda piece to sway many of his supporters to get behind the wars.

I don't even believe al qaida releases these vidoes anymore. They just play so much into the hands of the ruling elite.

Tully Mars · 11-21-2008, 09:03 AM

And if McCain had won they'd have released a message stating "More of the same, the US is the great Satan. We will destroy them."

Why would anyone take what they say as anything but targeted crap?

Derwood · 11-21-2008, 09:13 AM

The point being missed here is that they think that Obama (along with Rice and Powell) are "house negroes" because they are non-whites who support the same things as their white political predecessors. This is entirely about America's support of Israel (Jews=Devils, etc.).

dlish · 11-21-2008, 09:40 AM

i dont think its necesarily about israel, but moreso Al Qaeda's insistance that the incoming administration led by Obama will not deviate from the same line of past adminsitrations, hence earning the title of house negro. the concept in islami that jews=devils is utter nonsense and holds no truth whatsoever.

in a sense i can see how they can try and inflame the situation by using inflammatory and racists quotes. But we must also remember that Malcolm X used those words in 1962 during his racist stint in the Nation of Islam before his conversion to mainstream Islam. heres the excerpt of Malcolms speech.

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There were two kinds of slaves, the house Negro and the field Negro. The house Negroes — they lived in the house with master, they dressed pretty good, they ate good because they ate his food — what he left. They lived in the attic or the basement, but still they lived near the master; and they loved the master more than the master loved himself. They would give their life to save the master's house — quicker than the master would. If the master said, "We got a good house here," the house Negro would say, "Yeah, we got a good house here." Whenever the master said "we," he said "we." That's how you can tell a house Negro.

If the master's house caught on fire, the house Negro would fight harder to put the blaze out than the master would. If the master got sick, the house Negro would say, "What's the matter, boss, we sick?" We sick! He identified himself with his master, more than his master identified with himself. And if you came to the house Negro and said, "Let's run away, let's escape, let's separate," the house Negro would look at you and say, "Man, you crazy. What you mean, separate? Where is there a better house than this? Where can I wear better clothes than this? Where can I eat better food than this?" That was that house Negro. In those days he was called a "house nigger." And that's what we call them today, because we've still got some house niggers running around here.
This modern house Negro loves his master. He wants to live near him. He'll pay three times as much as the house is worth just to live near his master, and then brag about "I'm the only Negro out here." "I'm the only one on my job." "I'm the only one in this school." You're nothing but a house Negro. And if someone comes to you right now and says, "Let's separate," you say the same thing that the house Negro said on the plantation. "What you mean, separate? From America, this good white man? Where you going to get a better job than you get here?" I mean, this is what you say. "I ain't left nothing in Africa," that's what you say. Why, you left your mind in Africa.
On that same plantation, there was the field Negro. The field Negroes — those were the masses. There were always more Negroes in the field than there were Negroes in the house. The Negro in the field caught hell. He ate leftovers. In the house they ate high up on the hog. The Negro in the field didn't get anything but what was left of the insides of the hog.

The field Negro was beaten from morning to night; he lived in a shack, in a hut; he wore old, castoff clothes. He hated his master. I say he hated his master. He was intelligent. That house Negro loved his master, but that field Negro — remember, they were in the majority, and they hated the master. When the house caught on fire, he didn't try to put it out; that field Negro prayed for a wind, for a breeze. When the master got sick, the field Negro prayed that he'd die. If someone came to the field Negro and said, "Let's separate, let's run," he didn't say, "Where we going?" He'd say, "Any place is better than here."

i can understand roachboys view that the war requires them to exist and show their presense. maybe this is a way to show that they do exist. Al Qaeda has a habit of releasing videos at the most opportune times during events marking anniversaries and historic moments. am i smelling a conspiracy here?

roachboy · 11-21-2008, 09:44 AM

i think more in terms of symbiosis than conspiracy.

abaya · 11-21-2008, 10:17 AM

I'll say it again, since it seems to have been missed.

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Originally Posted by abaya

What else gives them a reason for existence? They don't know how to function without an enemy.

roachboy · 11-21-2008, 10:35 AM

are you talking about the united states in the context of the "war on terror" or al-qaeda?
i think it works better if you mean both.

shakran · 11-21-2008, 10:38 AM

Interesting strategy. Now the racist assholes in the KKK are on the side of the "damn a-rabs." I wonder how that will play out in the white supremacist circles. I'd guess either their "patriotism" will kick in and they'll get pissed off, or they'll try to get weapons and training from Al Qaeda so they can get help shooting the president.

abaya · 11-21-2008, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

are you talking about the united states in the context of the "war on terror" or al-qaeda?
i think it works better if you mean both.

Originally in that post, I meant Al Qaeda, but certainly it works both ways, and I am fine with it being taken both ways. I am well-acquainted with the "war is a force that gives us meaning" bullshit in the US. More people need to read 1984 in high school.

fastom · 11-25-2008, 03:07 AM

Only a few of you seem to have figured the Al-Qaeda videos come with a postmark from Langley, Virginia.

flstf · 11-25-2008, 09:02 AM

I think Zawahiri may be concerned about Obama's popularity around the world especially among those who are inclined to view the US as the great satan.

djtestudo · 11-25-2008, 10:23 AM

At the risk of injecting some humor into a serious thread, am I the only one that saw the title and immediately thought of the SNL "Hardball" sketch with Harry Belafonte?

SNL Transcripts: Sen. John McCain: 10/19/02: Hardball

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Chris Matthews: Welcome back to "Hardball", I'm Chris Matthews! One quick program note: next week, the Hardball College Tour continues when we come to you live from Bob Jones University with Special Guest: Coolio! The topic that night's gonna be tax reform! But today, we're talking about homeland security! Al-Quaeda's chatter's is revving up again, people in Maryland have to wear a Kevlar vest every time they go to a gas station, and every town from Buffalo to Portland's sticky with terrorists! The only security the office of homeland security provides is the security of knowing I can't go outside without browning my pants! When I get scared, I shout! And when I shout, I get scared! Are we safer today than we were pre-9/11? Joining us today: Associate Director for the ACLU, Rebecca DeWitt!

Rebecca DeWitt: Hello, Chris.

Chris Matthews: Bor-ing! Also joining us: Attorney General of the United States, John Ashcroft!

John Ashcroft: [ somewhat gruff ] Thanks for having me, Chris.

Chris Matthews: I had to! I was afraid you'd arrest me and put me in a camp! And, finally: he made headlines last week when he called Colin Powell a sell-out, comparing him to a slave serving his master, Harry Belefonte! Harry, welcome!

Harry Belefonte: Welcome? Welcome? What are you, some kind of slave master?

Chris Matthews: Aw, Belefonte! Crazy, right off the bat! I love it! Attorney General, we're gonna start with you! How do we make this country feel safe again?

John Ashcroft: Chris. Security starts with vigilence. As Americans, we will never truly be free. Until each and every one of us is afraid of being throw in a jail. But thanks to the Tips program, we've been able to detain tens of thousands of potential American terrorists for months at a time, for little or no reason. Just like the Founding Fathers dreamed!

Chris Matthews: Rebecca DeWitt, what Ashcroft just said was pretty crazy - can you beat it?!

Rebecca DeWitt: Chris, we're living in a police state. Most of the people detained under Mr. Ashcroft's orders haven't been charged with a crime or given access to legal counsel. The Taliban prisoners at Guantanamo Bay are being denied their basic human rights. They can't practice their religion, they're not allowed access to their weapons, they can't even confer with their terrorist leader! It's appalling!

Chris Matthews: Wow! An impressive display of insanity! Harry Belefonte, keep this crazy train rolling!

Harry Belefonte: Chris, I'm gonna say something that a lot of people are afraid to say: Osama bin Laden is a Uncle Tom!

Chris Matthews: [ shaking his head with wonder ] Good God! I can't even figure out who that's offensive to! Mr. Ashcroft, what plans does the Justice Department have to make our country safer?

John Ashcroft: We’ve got some real great stuff in the works. There's one plan that would make the Arab language, or anything that sounds like it, illegal. In addition, we've gone back into ten years of old files to traxk down terrorist sleeper agents! Foremost amongst them: Shaquille O'Neal.

Chris Matthews: [ chuckling ] Shaquille O'Neal! Are you serious!

John Ashcroft: Yes! We learned that he was in a Middle Eastern-flavored movie, entitled "Kazaam!" I watched this film last week, and from what I can gather, it is some kind of terrorist training video!

Chris Matthews: How about it, Rebecca DeWitt? Should we be throwing genie-portrayed basketball players in jail?

Rebecca DeWitt: Chris, every society needs police. But who will police the police? My idea: terrorists! Give the terorists guns and badges, and the ability to arrest law enforcement and military personnel. That way, there are checks and balances.

Chris Matthews: Dear Lord. Belefonte! Hit me with a quick one!

Harry Belefonte: The war in Iraq is in a minstrel show!

Chris Matthews: Fantastic! Another!

Harry Belefonte: Winston Churchill was a house Negro!

Chris Matthews: One more time!

Harry Belefonte: Poodles are the black man of the dog world!

Chris Matthews: Whoa-oa! [ laughs uproariously ] I'm never gonna get tired of this! Final thoughts, Mr. Ashcroft! Whom in this country can truly be safe?

John Ashcroft: Every American citizen. Every man, woman and child has a bar code tattooed on their neck, and a chip in their head that responds to this remote control! [ holds up remote control ]

Chris Matthews: Jiminy Christmas! Rebecca DeWitt!

Rebecca DeWitt: Chris, if you bake one cake, it doesn't make you a baker; if you paint one painting, it doesn't make you a painter; but if you blow up one embassy, it automatically makes you a terrorist! [ laughing ] It's hypocritical!

Chris Matthews: That just might be the dumbest thing I ever heard! Harry Belefonte! don't let me down!

Harry Belefonte: Pokemon is a slave trader; Pikachu is a slave master!

Chris Matthews: [ singing ] "Craz-o. Cra-a-az-o. Belafonte is a crazy mofo!" [ laughs ] Join us tomorrow, when Shaquille O'Neal joins us live via satelite from a prison at Guantanamo Bay! I'm Chris Matthews! Dabba da "Hahbah"!

aceventura3 · 11-25-2008, 06:08 PM

I am hoping Obama and liberals in this country recognize that we are at war with a group of people with their own agenda regardless of who is President of the US. Given Obama's proclamations about ending the war in Iraq, expanding the war in Afghanistan, and getting Osama that we are dealing with a group of people who will be responsive to what we do or what we fail to do. A real leader knows that even the best plans are contingent on conditions. The critique of Bush's execution of the war was way over the top, I also hope there is a realistic understanding of what we face.

filtherton · 11-25-2008, 06:21 PM

A real leader probably won't need to trump up threat from OBL to further his own foreign policy goals.

aceventura3 · 11-25-2008, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

A real leader probably won't need to trump up threat from OBL to further his own foreign policy goals.

O.k. is it your view that OBL is not/was not a threat? Saddam was not a threat? Iran is not a threat? There are no threats? If Obama agrees with you, his course of action is clear.

filtherton · 11-25-2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

O.k. is it your view that OBL is not/was not a threat? Saddam was not a threat? Iran is not a threat? There are no threats? If Obama agrees with you, his course of action is clear.

I think he is a threat, I just think his "threat level" was erroneously colored red in order to sell the American people on the Bush administrations foolish, half-baked, foreign policy goals.

I think that the Bush administration was very strategic about using fear to motivate. Miraculously, it failed to work for them in the previous election.

shakran · 11-25-2008, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by aceventura3

O.k. is it your view that OBL is not/was not a threat? Saddam was not a threat? Iran is not a threat? There are no threats? If Obama agrees with you, his course of action is clear.

President Bush Holds Press Conference

White house press conference.

Lest you think it's the liberal media making shit up again, I linked to the White House's website.

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Q But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?

THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I -- I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him.

So, apparently, Mr. Bush does not feel bin Laden is a threat, except in times when it is politically expedient for him to do so.

Why, then, do you seem to think he is a threat? Are you saying Mr. Bush is wrong? If so, why do you then support Mr. Bush in his execution of the "war on terror?"

Willravel · 11-25-2008, 10:16 PM

As soon as Zawahiri said that, I imagined what Malcolm X might have to say about Zawahiri. Then I had myself a chuckle at Zawahiri's expense.

Strange Famous · 11-26-2008, 01:09 PM

I think Al Qaeda would be against anyone who was the president of the US. Obama has made a huge impact on the consciousness of the world, it isnt unusual that they would seek attention by being associated with him - positively or negatively.

aceventura3 · 12-01-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by shakran

President Bush Holds Press Conference

White house press conference.

Lest you think it's the liberal media making shit up again, I linked to the White House's website.

So, apparently, Mr. Bush does not feel bin Laden is a threat, except in times when it is politically expedient for him to do so.

Why, then, do you seem to think he is a threat? Are you saying Mr. Bush is wrong? If so, why do you then support Mr. Bush in his execution of the "war on terror?"

I think it is ironic how some people viewed the threat from Sadaam and Iraq under his control relative to how (at least during the campaign and I guess currently) they view the threat from bin Laden and al qeada in Afghanistan. Obama said he is going to escalate the war to go after a single person, with virtually no current power and who may be dead or very il, and that is o.k., but Bush going after Sadam was a travesty. I don't get it other than to assume that some people simply hated Bush to a leve

11-21-2008, 08:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
dlish Currently sour but formerly Dlishs Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia/UAE	is Obama a House Negro? carrying on from the obama being a target for anti americans thread... http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/2008-us...mericans.html? as i predicted, Obama has become the target of Islamists. a few days ago Al Qaeda no. 2 released a video calling Obama a house negro. Zawahiri took the term made popular by Malcolm X and used it to slur obama. what i find amusing is that Al Qaeda is actually calling Obama out. or are they? what do you think of what zawahiri said? is it just a message to show that Al Qaeda is against anything american? is it a personal slur against Obama himself? will the slur have any effect on Obama or his policies? personally, it wont change a thing, except to highlight to the world that Al Qaeda remains anti american to the core. your thoughts? __________________ An injustice anywhere, is an injustice everywhere "Romance is never having to apologize for getting it in her hair" - World's King

11-21-2008, 08:34 AM	#2 (permalink)
abaya Moderator Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Iceland	My knee-jerk reaction was that Al Qaeda needs to get a friggin' life. If America wasn't conveniently available for them to hate, then I'm sure they'd be hating on another country, because why not? What else is there for them to do? What else gives them a reason for existence? They don't know how to function without an enemy. So I say fuck 'em, and whatever they say about Obama. __________________ And think not you can direct the course of Love; for Love, if it finds you worthy, directs your course. --Khalil Gibran

11-21-2008, 08:36 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher Join Date: May 2005	I'd much rather they call Obama a house negro than blow up more buildings. It's certainly not classy, but terrorism generally isn't. __________________ If you struggle with something your entire life, try harder. Awareness without action is worthless, and failure is not an accident.

11-21-2008, 08:56 AM	#4 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago	it's never been clear to me what the group is apart from the fact that the "war on terror" structurally required them to exist and they, assuming they're more than a few guys scurrying about western pakistan stopping from time to time to produce snippy videos, require the "war on terror" as a platform for publicity. but like any fading star, i think al-qeada is worried----they're worried about sinking back into being a few guys scurrying about the mountains of western pakistan rather than being the Big Scary Phantom they have been now that the bush administration, which has been so important for the Al-Qeada (tm) Brand and the Marketing that has Maintained and Expanded it are soon to be a thing of the past. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

11-21-2008, 09:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana	I think it's interesting how convienient this video is for the people who benefit from these foreign wars. This is the kind of thing that will allow Obama to continue the wars and all the domestic bullshit like homeland security etc. I dont feel he has any intention of ending the tyranny of the last 8 years. This serves as a propaganda piece to sway many of his supporters to get behind the wars. I don't even believe al qaida releases these vidoes anymore. They just play so much into the hands of the ruling elite. __________________ These are the times that try men's souls. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.

11-21-2008, 08:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Cynosure Insane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: the center of the multiverse	Calling our President-elect a "house negro" is obviously inflammatory and was designed to incite an emotional if not irrational response. I think we all should just ignore it. And I wish this Al Qaeda video would've gotten no press coverage whatsoever.

11-21-2008, 09:03 AM	#7 (permalink)
Tully Mars Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yucatan	And if McCain had won they'd have released a message stating "More of the same, the US is the great Satan. We will destroy them." Why would anyone take what they say as anything but targeted crap? __________________ Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club People are always bitching about getting what they deserve... I think if they did they'd be greatly disappointed. Me

11-21-2008, 09:13 AM	#8 (permalink)
Derwood Who You Crappin? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Everywhere and Nowhere	The point being missed here is that they think that Obama (along with Rice and Powell) are "house negroes" because they are non-whites who support the same things as their white political predecessors. This is entirely about America's support of Israel (Jews=Devils, etc.).

11-21-2008, 09:44 AM	#10 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago	i think more in terms of symbiosis than conspiracy. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

11-21-2008, 10:35 AM	#12 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago	are you talking about the united states in the context of the "war on terror" or al-qaeda? i think it works better if you mean both. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

11-21-2008, 10:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
shakran Tone. Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003	Interesting strategy. Now the racist assholes in the KKK are on the side of the "damn a-rabs." I wonder how that will play out in the white supremacist circles. I'd guess either their "patriotism" will kick in and they'll get pissed off, or they'll try to get weapons and training from Al Qaeda so they can get help shooting the president.

11-25-2008, 03:07 AM	#15 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: way out west	Only a few of you seem to have figured the Al-Qaeda videos come with a postmark from Langley, Virginia.

11-25-2008, 09:02 AM	#16 (permalink)
flstf Easy Rider Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Moscow on the Ohio	I think Zawahiri may be concerned about Obama's popularity around the world especially among those who are inclined to view the US as the great satan.

11-25-2008, 06:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
aceventura3 Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ventura County	I am hoping Obama and liberals in this country recognize that we are at war with a group of people with their own agenda regardless of who is President of the US. Given Obama's proclamations about ending the war in Iraq, expanding the war in Afghanistan, and getting Osama that we are dealing with a group of people who will be responsive to what we do or what we fail to do. A real leader knows that even the best plans are contingent on conditions. The critique of Bush's execution of the war was way over the top, I also hope there is a realistic understanding of what we face. __________________ "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on lunch." "It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions on vegetarianism while the wolf is of a different opinion." "If you live among wolves you have to act like one." "A lady screams at the mouse but smiles at the wolf. A gentleman is a wolf who sends flowers."

11-25-2008, 06:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
filtherton A poor man's version of a rich man. Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In the land of ice and snow.	A real leader probably won't need to trump up threat from OBL to further his own foreign policy goals.

11-25-2008, 10:16 PM	#23 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	As soon as Zawahiri said that, I imagined what Malcolm X might have to say about Zawahiri. Then I had myself a chuckle at Zawahiri's expense. __________________ ɯǝɥʇ ǝʌlos uɐɔ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ ǝɔuɐɹouƃı ɥƃnoɹɥʇ ʇou sı ʇı 'sɯǝlqoɹd ǝʇɐǝɹɔ uɐɔ ǝƃpǝlʍouʞ ɟı

11-26-2008, 01:09 PM	#24 (permalink)
Strange Famous Adam The Word King Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Ipswich, UK	I think Al Qaeda would be against anyone who was the president of the US. Obama has made a huge impact on the consciousness of the world, it isnt unusual that they would seek attention by being associated with him - positively or negatively. __________________ "Lying in bed on a summer morning, with the window open, listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty fingers.” (unknown man, on what it meant to be English)