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			<title>A political ranting I need to get off my chest</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:43:15 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>9/11 was an act of war, why are we allowing our president to let Khalid Sheikh Mohammed have a criminal trial? We do this but kill our own citizens at Ruby Ridge, Waco and elsewhere without their day in court?..... Why do people not stand up and say enough and hold our leaders responsible? Why are...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>9/11 was an act of war, why are we allowing our president to let Khalid Sheikh Mohammed have a criminal trial? We do this but kill our own citizens at Ruby Ridge, Waco and elsewhere without their day in court?..... Why do people not stand up and say enough and hold our leaders responsible? Why are we allowing this? Something is wrong when we try those in criminal court not military courts who plotted to kill thousands and want to destroy us, by acts of war and we kill our own without giving them those same trials.<br />
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Double digit unemployment, homelessness at an all time high, companies able to fire people with no reason except their bottom line and to make those rich richer, companies closing plants and moving overseas, sending jobs overseas, while people lose their homes, our great cities and states bankrupt, our people divided and just trying to make it to ... Read Morethe next day.... and where's our leadership? Where are the people standing up saying enough? Where is the press that is supposed to be the 4th estate and true protectors of freedom? They worry about passing health care bills that if you don't buy into you'll be thrown into jail and fined. They worry about getting the Olympics in Chicago. Our leaders no longer care about the country or the people's freedoms they are put into office to protect.<br />
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We are the United States of America, the greatest country ever seen on this planet because of the freedoms, the wealth and the opportunities and we are allowing our very leaders who are supposed to protect this country for future generations to drop us to our knees.... and they laugh at us, they tell us it is our fault, they give rights that our own citizens no longer enjoy to foreign terrorists that want us destroyed. They refuse to help our troops fighting overseas, the President is more worried about giving &quot;Shout outs&quot; then the man and women in our armed services shot wounded or killed on a base in our own country.<br />
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When does it stop? When do people see that this is not radical, conspiratorial talk but reality. Those put into office to protect us are the ones destroying us and it starts with our own president.<br />
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John Lennon stated, &quot;Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it.&quot; ... Read More<br />
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And it has never been more true. Those of us who speak out because we love our country and choose to do so because of that love are talked about as zealots, conspiracy nuts and we have no idea the truth. I would argue the opposite, those who do not speak out, are either scared of what will happen to them, what label they may receive, what others may think of them, losing what little they have or what the government may do.<br />
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Why are we scared of the government in this country???? Why are we scared to exercise our freedoms?<br />
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This is what I wore a uniform to protect, these freedoms, these words, this government set forth by our forefathers who sacrificed all they knew to make a better country for their children and grandchildren.... and we are now allowing our own leaders to put their agendas ahead of these words.. they would rather us be on our knees begging than protect and defend this document.<br />
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				We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
			
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</div><a href="http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/" target="_blank">The Declaration of Independence</a>... Read More<br />
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				We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
			
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</div><a href="http://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm" target="_blank">U.S. Senate: Reference Home &gt; Constitution of the United States</a><br />
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Stand up if not for yourselves but for your children and grandchildren and say, &quot;I'm as mad as Hell and I'm not going to take it anymore. This government is answerable to the people it governs and if you will not govern us under the freedoms and the greatness that our forefathers did... then you need to leave office and give the leadership to those that will.&quot;<br />
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It's not about parties it's all about keeping this country great and making it a better place for the future.  9/11 woke me up and I have slowly watched this great country be destroyed from within. What is going on now is a conglomeration of many wrongs and instead of trying to make things right they continue to go down the wrong road.... and do so happily knowing that it is in fact destructive to this nation.</div>

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			<title>Senate Health Care Bill Unveiled</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:06:35 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[From Electoral-Vote.com (http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2009/Senate/Maps/Nov19-s.html), a (really excellent) non-partisan political news outlet: 
 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>From <a href="http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2009/Senate/Maps/Nov19-s.html" target="_blank">Electoral-Vote.com</a>, a (really excellent) non-partisan political news outlet:<br />
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				After nearly a year of deliberations, majority leader Harry Reid  released the full text of the Senate's health-care bill, which consists of the Finance Committee Bill merged with the HELP Committee bill and some new twists. Here are some key features of the 2074-page (doubled-spaced) bill:<br />
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    * Insurance exchanges will be set up in 2014 to help the uninsured get coverage.<br />
    * A public option will be available on these exchanges.<br />
    * Anyone below 133% of the federal poverty line will be eligible for Medicaid.<br />
    * Anyone between 133% and 300% of the poverty line will get subsidies to buy insurance.<br />
    * Insurance companies will be required to accept all new customers, even with preexisting conditions.<br />
    * Annual and lifetime limits on coverage will be prohibited.<br />
    * Insurance companies will be forbidden from canceling policies when a person got sick.<br />
    * Insurance companies will not be allowed to charge sick people more than healthy people.<br />
    * Employers with more than 50 employees will be fined for not providing health insurance.<br />
    * Small businesses will receive tax credits to help them buy insurance for their employees.<br />
    * Uninsured individuals will be fined $750 per year.<br />
    * The size of the Medicare donut hole will be reduced by $500.<br />
    * Children will be allowed to stay on their parents' policies until age 26.<br />
    * Policies will have to explain their benefits in a standardized form in simple English.<br />
    * An appeals process will be created so patients can fight back when coverage is denied.<br />
    * There are many provisions encouraging preventive medicine.<br />
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The bill will result in 31 million additional Americans getting insurance and will cost the government $848 billion over 10 years but this amount is more than covered by new taxes, resulting in a net reduction of the federal debt by $130 billion over this period. In the second decade, the savings will reach $650 billion. President Obama insisted that the bill come in below $900 billion simply for political reasons--then the Republicans would have to talk about an $848-billion-dollar boondoggle instead of a trillion-dollar boondoggle, which sounds much worse. There are new taxes are on gold-plated health-care plans, medical devices, and elective surgery. Medicare payroll taxes for high earners will be increased and growth of Medicare expenditures will be curtailed. The new taxes proposed are one of the major areas where the Senate and House bills differ so there will be much haggling in the conference.<br />
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Health-insurance exchanges would be set up on which private companies as well as a public plan would be offered to people not covered by their employer's plan. Any state that wanted to prevent its residents from choosing the public plan could ban it by legislation, but it is hard to envision many state legislators running in 2010 or 2012 saying: &quot;If elected, I will vote to make sure you can't choose the public plan.&quot; Since both the House and Senate bills now have public options, it is highly unlikely it will be stripped out in conference. While many members of Congress have been pontificating about how even a tiny public plan will destroy in the insurance industry, no knowledgeable person believes this. Even with Medicare, insurance companies prosper by selling supplemental plans to seniors. What the public plan might actually do though, is reduce insurance company profits a little bit, but for a senator to say: &quot;I am against reducing insurance company profits&quot; wouldn't sound so good. Even in socialist France there is a thriving private-sector health insurance industry selling supplemental plans.<br />
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A sticky issue is abortion coverage. The House bill went very far in prohibiting insurance companies from offered abortion coverage. The Senate bill does not go as far. It merely sets up a firewall to make sure federal money is not spent on abortions. Adding irrelevant bits and pieces of legislation to a bill has been a congressional staple for decades. It is surprising that no opponent of the war in Afghanistan has proposed an amendment to the funding bill requiring the Army to provide an abortion to any female soldier requesting one. It would kill the bill.<br />
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Democrats of all stripes praised the bill as being the greatest thing since sliced bread. Republicans of all stripes said it would be the end of the world as we know it. If you expected a rational discussion of the bill's many provisions, welcome to Planet Congress.<br />
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Reid will file a cloture motion today, which means the vote will be on Saturday (Senate rules require an intervening day). Then we will find out whether Reid has managed to corral all 60 members of his caucus. Probably even the holdouts will find some cover in the bill. For example, Ben Nelson could say: &quot;While I oppose this government takeover of our wonderful country, the bill reduces the federal deficit by 2.6% a year so I am voting for it&quot; or something equally stupid. Also, Nelson, Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA) and Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-AR) could find some reason to vote for cloture but vote against the bill itself (when their votes are not needed). Some Democrats are willing to ditch their deeply held fundamental principles for a small bowl of pork. Sen. Evan Bayh (D-IN) has miraculously dropped his opposition to this government takeover of the country when the tax on medical devices (many of which are produced in Indiana) was halved.
			
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</div>So I obviously haven't read <a href="http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/patient-protection-affordable-care-act.pdf" target="_blank">the whole thing</a> (nor, to be honest, do I plan to), but from the bullet points pulled out above, this bill meets my approval much more than the House bill. There's obviously all sorts of opportunity to water this thing down and turn it into the sort of toothless non-change that the House bill became, but where we're starting here is a pretty damn good place to start, I think.<br />
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I think we've been adequately over the general &quot;pro&quot; and &quot;con&quot; positions about health care reform. I'm interested in specific responses to the specific bullet points above from anti-health-reform people. In particular, ace, I'm curious about your response to the pro-small-business stuff listed above, and dksuddeth, I'm curious your response to the poverty-line-related subsidies and the fine for being uninsured.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Secret copyright treaty leaks. It's bad. Very bad.]]></title>
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				The internet chapter of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, a secret copyright treaty whose text Obama's administration refused to disclose due to &quot;national security&quot; concerns, has leaked. It's bad. It says:<br />
• That ISPs have to proactively police copyright on user-contributed material. This means that it will be impossible to run a service like Flickr or YouTube or Blogger, since hiring enough lawyers to ensure that the mountain of material uploaded every second isn't infringing will exceed any hope of profitability.<br />
• That ISPs have to cut off the Internet access of accused copyright infringers or face liability. This means that your entire family could be denied to the internet -- and hence to civic participation, health information, education, communications, and their means of earning a living -- if one member is accused of copyright infringement, without access to a trial or counsel.<br />
• That the whole world must adopt US-style &quot;notice-and-takedown&quot; rules that require ISPs to remove any material that is accused -- again, without evidence or trial -- of infringing copyright. This has proved a disaster in the US and other countries, where it provides an easy means of censoring material, just by accusing it of infringing copyright.<br />
• Mandatory prohibitions on breaking DRM, even if doing so for a lawful purpose (e.g., to make a work available to disabled people; for archival preservation; because you own the copyrighted work that is locked up with DRM)
			
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Now would be a good time to start creating data stashes. I've been on KeepVid since this article appeared, downloading as many of my favorite videos off youtube as possible onto my external 1TB just in case this thing kills youtube. If you've got any favorite videos, now may be a good time to back them up just in case. <br />
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While I've never really supported piracy on principle, copyright laws are a damned mess in the US and are heavily stacked in favor of the corporate holders against everyone else. Until copyright law in the US (and elsewhere) is fixed, I'm siding with the pirates simply because it's the lesser of two unethical parties. The Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement is, like seemingly every other anti-piracy measure taken recently, a massive overstep and instead of effectively curbing piracy will only drive more people to it and further damage copyright. It's following in the footsteps of the MPAA and RIAA (the MPAA recently has started pushing for control over your A/V outputs on your cable/satellite box, for example). <br />
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This is big news for anyone that likes the internet, so I figure you should know. This really does put everything from Youtube to Blogger to Flickr at serious risk. No hyperbole.</div>

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			<title>Lou Dobbs out at CNN</title>
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			<description>So Lou Dobbs is leaving CNN 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>So Lou Dobbs is leaving CNN<br />
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Any bets on when his start date on Fox will be?<br />
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			<title>judicial tyranny, supreme failure</title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:27:23 GMT</pubDate>
			<description>One of the numerous failures of the USSC to uphold the constitution and protect citizens from the tyrannical deprevations of government was the 2005 Kelo vs. New London decision. This epic betrayal of Americans by the branch of government set up to specifically shield them from an overreaching...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>One of the numerous failures of the USSC to uphold the constitution and protect citizens from the tyrannical deprevations of government was the 2005 Kelo vs. New London decision. This epic betrayal of Americans by the branch of government set up to specifically shield them from an overreaching government didn't come overnight though. It started back in the early 1900s when the USSC re-interpreted the meaning of 'public use' in the 5th Amendment to mean 'public benefit', which included adding jobs to an area or increasing the communities tax reciepts. This allowed the several states to use the takings clause to abscond private property and then resell it to private developers who would then be able to increase their own business, start a new business, add jobs to the community, or increase the tax reciepts for the community.<br />
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The Kelo case of 2005 was the solidification of wealthy business interests to legally steal private citizens property and homes in order to increase their own profit. In arguments of this case, the 4 liberal justices and swing vote justice kennedy claimed to have done a careful and exhausting analysis of Pfizers economic development plan and declared it to be in alignment with the re-interpreted public benefit portion of the 5th amendment by providing jobs, adding tax reciepts to New London, and supposedly cleaning up a 'blighted' environment.<br />
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4 years later, Pfizer is announcing that they are closing down their research and development facility in New London. While Ms. Kelo and her neighbors lost their homes, the city and the state spent some $78 million to bulldoze private property for high-end condos and other &quot;desirable&quot; elements. Instead, the wrecked and condemned neighborhood still stands vacant, without any of the touted tax benefits or job creation.<br />
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If there is a lesson from Connecticut's misfortune, it is that economic development that relies on the strong arm of government will never be the kind to create sustainable growth, but I seriously doubt that tax and spend liberals or big business conservatives will care about that, just so long as they still have current law to take peoples property.<br />
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<a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704402404574527513453636326.html" target="_blank">Pfizer and Kelo v. City of New London - WSJ.com</a></div>

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			<title>Dear Iran: Fuck you. Love, Atheists</title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I've defended Iran on their nuclear program. As far as I can see, there's no evidence to suggest that Iran is developing nuclear weapons in violation of the NPT. I've defended Iran on it being part of an "axis of evil". The term evil doesn't apply to Iran and carries with it religious and...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I've defended Iran on their nuclear program. As far as I can see, there's no evidence to suggest that Iran is developing nuclear weapons in violation of the NPT. I've defended Iran on it being part of an &quot;axis of evil&quot;. The term evil doesn't apply to Iran and carries with it religious and mythological connotations. <br />
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I will, however, happily berate Iran for what IS wrong there. <br />
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				Habibollah Latifi, Ehsan (Esma’il) Fattahianand Sherko Moarefihave all been sentenced to death for “enmity against God” in unconnected cases overthe last two years. They are believed to be on death row in a prison in Sanandaj, the provincial capital of Kordestan.
			
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Apostasy—a fancy way of saying rejecting Islamic faith—is a crime punishable by <i>death</i> in Islamic Republic of Iran. Setting aside the totalitarian government and unimaginable crimes against women for just a moment (they're each deserving of their own threads), as a skeptic I find this nightmarish. I've been on the receiving end of hatred because of my lack of religious beliefs, but it was usually just someone being offended and leaving after telling me off. Imagine you spend years breaking yourself from religious indoctrination and then find yourself sentenced to death for finally becoming who you are. It's unspeakable. <br />
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I would be willing to defend a Christian from a Muslim, a Muslim from a Christian, a Jew from a Christian, and so on, but attacking someone not for believing in another god but for simply existing without such a belief is insane. Iran is fucking insane, and I'm pissed. <br />
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If you want, there's a petition <a href="http://gopetition.com/petitions/save-ehsan-fattahian-from-execution/sign.html" target="_blank">here</a>, but it seems like a waste of time. <br />
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Tyranny anywhere is tyranny everywhere.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Massachusetts man fired for telling colleague her gay marriage is "bad stuff"]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 06:18:37 GMT</pubDate>
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				&quot;Massachusetts Man Says He Was Fired for Telling Colleague Her Gay Marriage Is Wrong&quot;<br />
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Saturday , November 07, 2009<br />
By Joshua Rhett Miller<br />
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A manager at a Massachusetts retail store claims he was unjustly fired after he told a colleague he thought her impending marriage to another woman was wrong.<br />
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Peter Vidala, 24, told FoxNews.com he was terminated in August from his position as second deputy manager at a Brookstone store at Boston's Logan Airport after a conversation he had with a manager from another Brookstone store who was visiting the location.<br />
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Vidala claims the woman, whom he declined to identify, mentioned four times that she had married her partner. He said he then left the store briefly to visit the airport's chapel before returning.<br />
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&quot;I found it offensive that she repeatedly brought it up,&quot; Vidala said. &quot;By the fourth time she mentioned it, I felt God wanted me to express how I felt about the matter, so I did. But my tone was downright apologetic. I said, 'Regarding your homosexuality, I think that's bad stuff.'&quot;<br />
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The woman, according to Vidala, then said, &quot;Human resources, buddy — keep your opinions to yourself,&quot; before exiting the store.<br />
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Two days later, Vidala, who had been employed for just a matter of weeks, received a termination letter citing the company's zero-tolerance policy regarding &quot;harassment&quot; and &quot;inappropriate and unprofessional&quot; comments.<br />
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&quot;In the state of Massachusetts, same-sex marriage is legal and there will be people with whom you work with who have fiancées or spouses who are the same gender,&quot; the Aug. 12 letter read. &quot;... While you are entitled to your own beliefs, imposing them upon others in the workplace is not acceptable and in this case, by telling a colleague that she is deviant and immoral, constitutes discrimination and harassment.&quot;<br />
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Vidala disputes using the words &quot;deviant&quot; and &quot;immoral&quot; during conversations with human resources employees on the matter.<br />
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&quot;I did say I regard that lifestyle as deviant, as in deviating from the norm, but I never, ever said to that to the [manager],&quot; he said. &quot;In general, I believe people don't want to hear about controversial issues like that in the workplace. They shouldn't have to.&quot;<br />
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Vidala, who has not hired a lawyer, said he is considering filing a complaint with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.<br />
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In a statement issued to FoxNews.com, Brookstone President/CEO Ron Boire said a &quot;thorough and fair investigation&quot; had been completed in the matter.<br />
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&quot;We do not comment on any specific personnel issues,&quot; the statement read. &quot;However I will say that Brookstone is an equal opportunity employer, meaning that we maintain a healthy, safe and productive work environment free from discrimination or harassment based on race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, age, national origin, physical or mental disability, or other factors that are unrelated to the Company’s legitimate business interests.<br />
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&quot;We are proud of our diverse workforce of varying cultural, ethnic, and religious backgrounds.&quot;<br />
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Asked why he felt the need to comment on the woman's personal life, Vidala, who has since left the Boston area, said he felt compelled to do so.<br />
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&quot;I see, like all real Christians, homosexuals as people who, like me, are sinners and need to be told the truth in a loving way,&quot; he said. &quot;In this situation, I took issue with the behavior. I think it's lunacy to call that type of behavior marriage in any kind of form. I had to express that I'm intolerant of that behavior. It's a love-the-sinner, hate-the-sin kind of deal.&quot;<br />
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Vidala said he felt &quot;intentionally goaded&quot; by the manager to comment on her relationship.<br />
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&quot;She knew how I felt about homosexuality,&quot; he said. &quot;When you talk to someone about something like that, you want their support. She was kind of looking into my eyes for that social cue for me to say, 'I'm happy for you.' But I really couldn't feel happy for her.&quot;
			
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</div><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572862,00.html" target="_blank">Massachusetts Man Says He Was Fired for Telling Colleague Her Gay Marriage Is Wrong - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News - FOXNews.com</a><br />
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Interesting story, but below is an interesting video. It features Vidala relating what happened and his own defense. <br />
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By the time I got to the end of the video, I was a bit discouraged to find the source of the video. His cause is apparently being championed by an organization called <a href="http://www.massresistance.org/" target="_blank">MassResistance.org</a>, which is an MA-based organization opposed to gay marriage (and anything &quot;unhetero&quot;). They position themselves as some kind of public service alerting MA and the rest of the country about the &quot;normalizing&quot; of homosexuality. I didn't delve too much into the site, but they imply how damaging this is to society.<br />
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What do you think about all of this?<br />
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Do you think Vidala was treated fairly?<br />
Where do we draw the line between stating fact and voicing opinions in this kind of situation?<br />
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I'm not sure if his firing was necessary. He does make it sound like the woman was rubbing her homosexuality in his face to make a point. But when I think about it, mentioning her recent/upcoming marriage 4 times over the course of an entire day isn't that excessive. That's like once every two hours of an eight-hour day, on average. That doesn't seem too excessive for someone who is excited about a big event, and it certainly wouldn't be excessive if they were generally being chatty throughout the day at work.<br />
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I think this guy is posing as the &quot;persecuted Christian.&quot; He believes he is entitled to voicing his belief, which is basically &quot;homosexuality is a sin.&quot; To many, this translates to homosexuality is &quot;evil,&quot; &quot;morally wrong,&quot; &quot;deviant,&quot; &quot;a choice, and a bad one at that,&quot; etc.<br />
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I don't care what or who you are or what you believe. Stating as much about homosexuality is out of line. I don't think this sort of thing should be tolerated in a workplace environment. He should have kept his belief to himself. If he was so uncomfortable about her discussing her relationship, he should have simply stated that he would prefer it if she wouldn't talk about her personal relationship matters with him in the workplace.<br />
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Instead, he throws down a judgement that could be deemed as discriminatory, if not hateful.<br />
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Well that's interesting. 220 to 215 with one Republican crossing the aisle. It's watered down almost to the point where it won't help very many people, but at least it's passed. <br />
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			<description>pelosi health care bill (http://republicans.waysandmeans.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=153583) 
 
 
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				Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail.  The JCT letter  makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.
			
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				I think there are four obvious lessons to draw from tonight’s election returns:<br />
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1. For Conservative Republicans: The America people reject Barack Obama and obviously want true conservative leadership. The Governorships of two states have switched to the “R” category, showing a grassroots conservative movement that is alive and well. <br />
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2. For Moderate Republicans: The American people obviously want old-fashioned economic conservatives who are moderate on social issues. McDonnell in Virginia and Christie in New Jersey won by downplaying social issues; Hoffman in New York-23 lost because he was too extreme.<br />
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3. For Moderate Democrats: The party out of power usually does well in off-year elections like this, and this year was no exception. But obviously there is no sign of any substantial shift in public opinion from the election of 2008.<br />
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4. For Liberal Democrats: NY-23 was the race to watch this year, given that right-wing extremists like Palin and Beck threw all their support behind Hoffman. But the district voters rejected the right-wing candidate, sending a Democrat to Congress for the first time in one hundred years. Obviously this shows that the American people reject right-wing extremism.<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[Being that today is an election day and that i'm not eligible to vote because I recently moved and didn't know I had to update my address on my voter registration (assumed it as linked to my drivers license) I thought I'd start a thread on election day voter registration. 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Being that today is an election day and that i'm not eligible to vote because I recently moved and didn't know I had to update my address on my voter registration (assumed it as linked to my drivers license) I thought I'd start a thread on election day voter registration.<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[I found this article very interesting. Basically he's saying the bill reads that you will be mandated to to carry health insurance and it only allows 11 million or so Americans to utilize a government option. Also the legislation allows insurance companies to increase their rates by up to 25%. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I found this article very interesting. Basically he's saying the bill reads that you will be mandated to to carry health insurance and it only allows 11 million or so Americans to utilize a government option. Also the legislation allows insurance companies to increase their rates by up to 25%.<br />
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It is also interesting to note that his amendment takes a &quot;state's rights&quot; solution to the problem by allowing them to opt out of this federal program. Not a typical stance from a liberal.<br />
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Do you believe what he's saying is true? I haven't read the bill, but from what I've heard him say in the past I would think he's spot on.<br />
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By Stephen C. Webster<br />
Saturday, October 31st, 2009 -- 4:01 pm<br />
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According to Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), the Democrats' health reform legislation is basically a sham.<br />
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Appearing on MSNBC's The Ed Show on Friday night, the House's most unabashed progressive condemned Democratic leadership for removing his amendment that would allow states to create their own single-payer systems. Then he called the entire legislative package &quot;a bailout for insurance companies.&quot;<br />
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Under a single-payer system, like those in Canada and the United Kingdom, the government pools taxpayer funds to pay for citizens' health care and fees are not collected by health care providers. The Kucinich amendment would allow individual states an opt-in to such a system.<br />
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The amendment is missing from health reform legislation unveiled Thursday by Democratic leadership.<br />
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&quot;Representative Kucinich was livid when he found out that his provision to allow states to create a single payer system was stripped,&quot; News Junkie Post noted. &quot;Kucinich&#8217;s amendment passed the House Labor and Education Committee in July. 'No one gave me any rational reason,' Kucinich said. 'I can only assume the insurance company interests brought pressure to take it out. Otherwise I would have heard from someone.'&quot;<br />
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&quot;The [committee] vote was 25 to 19, with support coming from an odd mix of liberal Democrats who support single-payer on its merits and conservative Republicans who want to preserve the rights of states to regulate themselves,&quot; The Washington Independent noted at the time.<br />
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&quot;The removal of the Kucinich amendment constitutes yet another capitulation to the health insurance and pharmaceutical industries who are already reaping billions of dollars from the bill,&quot; reads a statement from the congressman's office on Thursday.<br />
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Under the revised public option, &quot;Pelosi and her team have proposed a plan that would not make payments for care based on Medicare rates ...&quot; CBS News's John Nichols noted. &quot;Rather, under the Pelosi plan, the rates be tied to those of the big insurance companies. That's a big, big victory for the insurance industry, as it will undermine the ability of the public option to compete -- and to create pressure for reduced costs.&quot;<br />
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Speaking to liberal MSNBC anchor Ed Schultz on Friday, Kucinich continued his assault on the legislation.<br />
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&quot;I think we need the support of the American people to say, look, you need that state single-payer amendment in the bill to make it credible,&quot; the congressman said. &quot;I mean, what are people giving up already? They're being mandated to buy private insurance. If you read the bill, the people are going to end up paying -- the insurance companies can raise rates 25 percent right off the bat, if you read the bill.&quot;<br />
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Schultz encouraged Kucinich to repeat himself on that point.<br />
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&quot;It's on page 22 of the bill,&quot; he replied. &quot;Right here, it says that rates shall be set at a level that does not exceed 125 percent of the prevailing standard rate for comparable coverage in the individual market. Now ... It's very easy to understand what that means.&quot;<br />
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&quot;It's not reform,&quot; Schultz insisted.<br />
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&quot;It means a 25 percent increase, they'll have the ability to execute and since insurance companies have already raised rates for the last four years by double-digits, we can expect -- based on the bill -- another rate increase by the insurance companies.&quot;<br />
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Schultz called the bill a &quot;sellout&quot; to insurers because the bill only allows 11 million people into a limited government-run health insurance option, and includes a mandate for Americans to buy private policies.<br />
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&quot;Maybe instead of a sellout it's a bailout,&quot; Kucinich responded. &quot;Maybe what we're looking at here is another way that Wall Street's speculative engine can be fueled, this time with the help of the premiums of tens of millions of Americans.&quot;<br />
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On his Web site, Kucinich took his point further, calling the legislation &quot;a bailout for insurance companies&quot; that must be altered.<br />
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&quot;The Kucinich [single payer] amendment has been added to H.R. 3200 in the Education and Labor Committee, the amendment would permit states to enact a single-payer health care system,&quot; the congressman's Web site claimed.
			
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			<description>The White House seems to dislike the opinions and fear-mongering masquerading as facts coming from this network.  Do you agree with the White House, or do you think Fox News is doing their job and accurately and fairly reporting the news? 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The White House seems to dislike the opinions and fear-mongering masquerading as facts coming from this network.  Do you agree with the White House, or do you think Fox News is doing their job and accurately and fairly reporting the news?<br />
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Now I watch Fox News occasionally (when in hotel rooms or airports), and O'Reilly does his job well, even though I don't always agree.  He presents to opposing view and why it is good.  He asks the guests tough questions, and doesn't allow them to give the same answers as they have before.  The problem I have is that other shows only nag and bring up the negative side of the Democratic policies.  It isn't &quot;Fair &amp; Balanced&quot; like they advertise.  I haven't heard one positive thing about Cap &amp; Trade (or Cap &amp; Tax as they call it).  And they are blaming the gov spending and the current administration for not creating lots of new jobs out of thin air.  They argue that the country will become 'socialist' if any minor liberal policy becomes law...<br />
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Now, I do support their First amendment right to their opinions, and I understand them holding the politicians feet to the fire, but I think they take it too far sometimes and exaggerate things to get their views across to the public.<br />
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			<description><![CDATA[This has been brought up in several discussions by various people to support the constitutionality of congressionally mandated health insurance. I submit the following to refute that claim. 
 
 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>This has been brought up in several discussions by various people to support the constitutionality of congressionally mandated health insurance. I submit the following to refute that claim.<br />
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Hamilton always denied that this clause gives Congress a general legislative authority--to legislate regarding, and so as to achieve, whatever Congress might consider to be for the common good. He never varied from his assertion in The Federalist number 83, regarding the plan of the Framing Convention expressed in the Constitution, with regard to such authority, as follows:<br />
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    &quot;The plan of the convention declares that the power of congress or in other words of the national legislature, shall extend to certain enumerated cases. This specification of particulars evidently excludes all pretension to a general legislative authority; because an affirmative grant of special powers would be absurd as well as useless, if a general authority was intended.&quot; (Emphasis per original.)<br />
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Hamilton never contended for--indeed, he evidently would have opposed strenuously--use of the Federal power to tax and spend so as in effect to give the Federal government indirectly any control over anything, or anybody, which is not directly and openly authorized by the Constitution and its amendments through enumeration of the powers granted to it by the people. He would undoubtedly have agreed with the distinction which Jefferson drew--in the above-mentioned addresses made after Hamilton's death--with regard to Federal aid to Education: that land-grants in aid of education are constitutional, partly because they could not possibly produce any degree of control over the recipient institutions due to such grants being a single-transaction measure as to each of the recipient institutions.
			
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*Obama Signs Hate Crimes Bill* 
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New  York Times 
 
President Obama signed a hate crimes bill into law on Wednesday, telling an audience at the White House that the provision would &#8220;strengthen the protections against crimes based on the color of your skin, the faith in...]]></description>
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				<b>Obama Signs Hate Crimes Bill</b><br />
By Jeff Zeleny<br />
New  York Times<br />
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President Obama signed a hate crimes bill into law on Wednesday, telling an audience at the White House that the provision would &#8220;strengthen the protections against crimes based on the color of your skin, the faith in your heart, or the place of your birth.&#8221;<br />
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The law expands the definition of violent federal hate crimes to those committed because of a victim&#8217;s sexual orientation. Under existing federal law, hate crimes are defined as those motivated by the victim&#8217;s race, color, religion or national origin.<br />
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&#8220;Prosecutors will have new tools to work with states in order to prosecute to the fullest those who would perpetrate such crimes,&#8221; Mr. Obama said, speaking in the East Room of the White House at an evening reception, &#8220;Because no one in America should ever be afraid to walk down the street holding the hands of the person they love.&#8221;<br />
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The hate crimes measure was included in a defense spending bill, which Democratic leaders in Congress intentionally did in an effort to keep Republicans from blocking the legislation. The legislation had been under consideration in Congress for years. It was named in memory of Matthew Shepard, the gay Wyoming college student who was murdered 11 years ago.<br />
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&#8220;You understood that we must stand against crimes that are meant not only to break bones, but to break spirits &#8212; not only to inflict harm, but to instill fear,&#8221; Mr. Obama said. &#8220;You understand that the rights afforded every citizen under our Constitution mean nothing if we do not protect those rights &#8212; both from unjust laws and violent acts.&#8221;<br />
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The audience at the White House included Denis and Judy Shepard, the parents of Matthew, and the family of the late Senator Edward M. Kennedy, who championed the legislation for years, but died before the bill was ultimately passed.
			
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</div><a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/28/obama-signs-hate-crimes-bill/" target="_blank">Obama Signs Hate Crimes Bill - The Caucus Blog - NYTimes.com</a><br />
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Basically, the law has been expanded to include crimes targeted against people based on their sexual orientation. This is a bill that Bush helped block previously. <br />
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Canada passed something similar in 2004.<br />
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Do you think this is something that will pass quietly, or will there be implications and problems down the road? i.e., Will the anti-gay crowd have to change how they address gay issues?</div>

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