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noodle · 03-16-2008, 06:40 PM

So, I made this recipe from Cooking Light that would have been awesome... except that the gouda wouldn't melt.
Not for anything.
Oh, I did add some roasted garlic and herb chicken sausage and extra oregano, garlic and basil if anyone wants to try it. The flavors are awesome.
But WHY won't smoked gouda melt?
It drives me crazy. And freaked my boyfriend out. He liked it, but was fixated on the Cheese That Will Not Melt. And insists that it's because I got the "processed cheese product" smoked gouda. Despite the fact that ALL smoked gouda is processed including the slices I got one time that he loved. I asked the Cheese People at Fresh Market.
It's the Cheese That Will Not Melt. ALL cheese melts.

Not the portion mixed into the casserole, which rules out the "not enough liquid" question.
Not the part on top, which answered my heat/temperature question.
But, one of our favorite mexican fusion restaurant makes a killer smoked gouda dip.
WHY can't I do it at home?

Is there anyone that has mastered smoked gouda recipes at home?
I LOVE this cheese.

genuinegirly · 03-16-2008, 09:16 PM

OH wow... my favorite cheese. I've never tried to melt it. I'd be interested in learning the answer to this one.

evilbeefchan · 03-16-2008, 10:19 PM

I'm having trouble figuring out which part didn't melt. I would assume if the whole casserole is heated through, the cheese wouldn't stand a chance. Do you have any pics?

Maybe you can premelt the gouda into a cheesy sauce before adding it to the casserole? easiest way would be to heat some cream or beer or any kind of liquid, add the shredded gouda and mix til it's completely incorporated. It may end up adding too much moisture to the casserole, though.

little_tippler · 03-17-2008, 02:36 AM

Well it's interesting that happened to you because if you check on the recipe page in the comments section, you're not the only one that has happened to.

The thing is, Gouda does melt. Only not always as fast as you want it to or how you want it to. I've used it and it melts. Some other people in the comments have mentioned that different brands melt better. They also suggest substituting the smoked Gouda for smoked Cheddar.

noodle · 03-17-2008, 04:29 AM

Right, I checked out the reviews before I made the recipe.
It did not melt inside the casserole nor on top.
At the end of simmering the sauce, you add the pasta and the cheese.
I added the cheese first then pasta and let it remain on the heat for just a bit, then had it in the 380 degree oven for 20 minutes.
The shredded pieces remained intact and got rubbery on top.
I'm wondering if it may have something to do with lower fat content?
It almost behaved like fat-free cheese.
I tried to make a grilled cheese a few weeks ago with slices and it didn't really melt either.
I was just curious about the smoked gouda because as much as I like smoked cheddar and the like, I was seriously in the mood for some Italian food and the gouda sounded the best.
Oh and I went with the highest quality I could get from the Cheese Counter with all the swank cheeses.

genuinegirly · 03-18-2008, 10:50 AM

From what I've cobbled together from online sources, the lower-fat gouda cheeses require 400 degrees + to melt.

onesnowyowl · 03-18-2008, 02:30 PM

An article I read about fondue in the NYTimes a few weeks back addressed a similar problem with regular Gouda. The author found that using an aged Gouda resulted in the fondue seizing and clumping, whereas Goudas that had not been aged as much melted. I believe the problem Gouda was a cheese that had been aged for 3 years, and the one that worked had been aged less than 2. I wonder how old the smoked Gouda you used was, and if smoked Gouda has the same problem as regular Gouda.

shakran · 03-19-2008, 12:51 AM

here's a trick:

If it says "cheese food" or "cheese product," it is not real cheese.

evilbeefchan · 03-19-2008, 01:52 AM

Ok, I think i found something relevant. From: http://www.cheesetique.com/Newslette...Newsletter.htm

"Gouda when it's young is an ideal melting cheese. When extra-aged (like out 4-year Beemster) it is intense in flavor and quite crumbly....A harder gouda might not melt as well - better to stick with a mid-aged one."

So it's possible that your gouda was smoked and aged as well, or the smoking process hardens it like aging does. ::shrugs::

03-16-2008, 06:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
noodle The Nexus One Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: teetering on the lip of the box	Gouda grief. So, I made this recipe from Cooking Light that would have been awesome... except that the gouda wouldn't melt. Not for anything. Oh, I did add some roasted garlic and herb chicken sausage and extra oregano, garlic and basil if anyone wants to try it. The flavors are awesome. But WHY won't smoked gouda melt? It drives me crazy. And freaked my boyfriend out. He liked it, but was fixated on the Cheese That Will Not Melt. And insists that it's because I got the "processed cheese product" smoked gouda. Despite the fact that ALL smoked gouda is processed including the slices I got one time that he loved. I asked the Cheese People at Fresh Market. It's the Cheese That Will Not Melt. ALL cheese melts. Not the portion mixed into the casserole, which rules out the "not enough liquid" question. Not the part on top, which answered my heat/temperature question. But, one of our favorite mexican fusion restaurant makes a killer smoked gouda dip. WHY can't I do it at home? Is there anyone that has mastered smoked gouda recipes at home? I LOVE this cheese. __________________ Here's how life works: you either get to ask for an apology or you get to shoot people. Not both. ~ House You don't have to be noisy to be effective. ~~ Philip Crosby

03-16-2008, 09:16 PM	#2 (permalink)
genuinegirly Force-Strong Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 805	OH wow... my favorite cheese. I've never tried to melt it. I'd be interested in learning the answer to this one. __________________ "violence is no more or less real than non-violence. " roachboy

03-17-2008, 02:36 AM	#4 (permalink)
little_tippler Leaning against the -Sun- Moderator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: on the other side	Well it's interesting that happened to you because if you check on the recipe page in the comments section, you're not the only one that has happened to. The thing is, Gouda does melt. Only not always as fast as you want it to or how you want it to. I've used it and it melts. Some other people in the comments have mentioned that different brands melt better. They also suggest substituting the smoked Gouda for smoked Cheddar. __________________ Whether we write or speak or do but look We are ever unapparent. What we are Cannot be transfused into word or book. Our soul from us is infinitely far. However much we give our thoughts the will To be our soul and gesture it abroad, Our hearts are incommunicable still. In what we show ourselves we are ignored. The abyss from soul to soul cannot be bridged By any skill of thought or trick of seeming. Unto our very selves we are abridged When we would utter to our thought our being. We are our dreams of ourselves, souls by gleams, And each to each other dreams of others' dreams. Fernando Pessoa, 1918

03-17-2008, 04:29 AM	#5 (permalink)
noodle The Nexus One Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: teetering on the lip of the box	Right, I checked out the reviews before I made the recipe. It did not melt inside the casserole nor on top. At the end of simmering the sauce, you add the pasta and the cheese. I added the cheese first then pasta and let it remain on the heat for just a bit, then had it in the 380 degree oven for 20 minutes. The shredded pieces remained intact and got rubbery on top. I'm wondering if it may have something to do with lower fat content? It almost behaved like fat-free cheese. I tried to make a grilled cheese a few weeks ago with slices and it didn't really melt either. I was just curious about the smoked gouda because as much as I like smoked cheddar and the like, I was seriously in the mood for some Italian food and the gouda sounded the best. Oh and I went with the highest quality I could get from the Cheese Counter with all the swank cheeses. __________________ Here's how life works: you either get to ask for an apology or you get to shoot people. Not both. ~ House You don't have to be noisy to be effective. ~~ Philip Crosby

03-18-2008, 10:50 AM	#6 (permalink)
genuinegirly Force-Strong Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: 805	From what I've cobbled together from online sources, the lower-fat gouda cheeses require 400 degrees + to melt. __________________ "violence is no more or less real than non-violence. " roachboy

03-16-2008, 10:19 PM	#3 (permalink)
evilbeefchan Insane Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alhambra, CA	I'm having trouble figuring out which part didn't melt. I would assume if the whole casserole is heated through, the cheese wouldn't stand a chance. Do you have any pics? Maybe you can premelt the gouda into a cheesy sauce before adding it to the casserole? easiest way would be to heat some cream or beer or any kind of liquid, add the shredded gouda and mix til it's completely incorporated. It may end up adding too much moisture to the casserole, though.

03-18-2008, 02:30 PM	#7 (permalink)
onesnowyowl feeling evil Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Corvallis, Oregon	An article I read about fondue in the NYTimes a few weeks back addressed a similar problem with regular Gouda. The author found that using an aged Gouda resulted in the fondue seizing and clumping, whereas Goudas that had not been aged as much melted. I believe the problem Gouda was a cheese that had been aged for 3 years, and the one that worked had been aged less than 2. I wonder how old the smoked Gouda you used was, and if smoked Gouda has the same problem as regular Gouda. __________________ If I am not better, at least I am different. --Jean-Jacques Rousseau

03-19-2008, 12:51 AM	#8 (permalink)
shakran Tone. Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003	here's a trick: If it says "cheese food" or "cheese product," it is not real cheese.

03-19-2008, 01:52 AM	#9 (permalink)
evilbeefchan Insane Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alhambra, CA	Ok, I think i found something relevant. From: http://www.cheesetique.com/Newslette...Newsletter.htm "Gouda when it's young is an ideal melting cheese. When extra-aged (like out 4-year Beemster) it is intense in flavor and quite crumbly....A harder gouda might not melt as well - better to stick with a mid-aged one." So it's possible that your gouda was smoked and aged as well, or the smoking process hardens it like aging does. ::shrugs::