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Old 06-22-2008, 03:04 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Earthships! and Alternative Building

I recently started reading about sustainable developement for some random reason.. and these puppies came out. I began to read about them and noticed that I couldn't stop.

I someday dream about building my own house.. and I think this would be it. These things are just amazing.


This link is a 5 min video on the basics of an earthship.

http://www.earthship.net/

and this is a link to Earthship Biotecture, the company that came up with the idea.

For anyone who is interested in sustainable development or alternative, I think they should give it a check. I was just amazed by the concept and thought I should share it.

also, if anyone else would like to put forth any ideas on sustainable or alternative building methods, please feel free.

its amazing what you can do with some left over garbage.

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Old 06-22-2008, 04:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I'll point tecoyah to this thread, as we are currently in the process of finishing construction on a straw bale structure, the first in our county.

Here are some pictures of the building progress:

and yes... there are a TON of pics in here:

http://flickr.com/photos/pjchmiel/se...7604143533254/
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Old 06-22-2008, 08:32 PM   #3 (permalink)
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wow, I looked through every one, thats a nice photo diary you have of the construction process.

I'm curious, why did you decide to go with Straw Bale?

I mean there are so many choices out there.

I think the honeycomb sandbags are also fairly interesting

also, did you require any permits or such?
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"wait, don't drop that cigarette!...." *WOOOOOOSH!*

i seriously hope you have some sort of fireproofing in that house!

back to the OP: that's a cool project to start! i wonder what the overall cost would be.
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Old 06-22-2008, 09:26 PM   #5 (permalink)
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"wait, don't drop that cigarette!...." *WOOOOOOSH!*

i seriously hope you have some sort of fireproofing in that house!
The walls are covered in mud, so it should be pretty much fire proof! =D

If i am correct by the end like 6 inches of mud / lime plaster


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that's a cool project to start! i wonder what the overall cost would be.
** Sorry, Thats for an Earthship **

from what I have read for one room, somewhere around 10,000 ... upwards of 200,000 ... depending on size, systems, glass, labour, etc.

The average seems between 20,000 and 50,000 for do-it-yourselfers (including, systems, resources, etc.)

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Old 06-23-2008, 06:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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This building is more fireproof than virtually anything but steel or concrete as the bales will smoulder under extreme situations but cannot burn. The cost ended up about $5000, and almost $1000 of that was the legalities involved with introducing alternative construction to the City, getting the insurance/Engineers stamp/ permits in place. I chose Straw Bale due to its proven longevity, thermal properties, ease of construction, and environmentally sound usage (its usually burned in the field or used as livestock bedding because nothing will eat it). Added to this is the asthetic beauty of the house, and the flexibility in construction.

One of the motivators in this project was creating a legal framework, and acceptance with an eye on low cost housing. As it is, the project has drawn much media coverage, and community awareness...So it seems I have succeeded in this, and become somewhat famous...infamous, heh.

I am now doing the hardest part.....earthplastering.
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Old 06-23-2008, 06:45 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I have also heard some good things about rammed earth houses as well.

There have been a few straw bale houses in Canada, if I remember correctly.
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Old 06-23-2008, 07:33 AM   #8 (permalink)
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There's an earthship in Peterborough, Ontario. Old tires, pop cans—the whole nine yards...uh, I mean 8.2296 metres.
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This thread turns me on.

No, really. Crompsin and I spent about an hour talking about home designs and sustainable living on Saturday and it really made me happy. I have lots of ideas, and it's nice to see photos and such of people who have achieved what I'd like to do.
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Old 06-23-2008, 05:45 PM   #10 (permalink)
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There's an earthship in Peterborough, Ontario. Old tires, pop cans—the whole nine yards...uh, I mean 8.2296 metres.
do you have any links or info? I have discovered about three in Ontario, from my estimates lol...

but not much information on any of them.

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This thread turns me on.

No, really. Crompsin and I spent about an hour talking about home designs and sustainable living on Saturday and it really made me happy. I have lots of ideas, and it's nice to see photos and such of people who have achieved what I'd like to do.
I can imagine, the great thing about them also is most of the materials are flexible in a creativity sense. Your mind is really the limit.
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Old 06-29-2008, 11:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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thank you for posting out ur this idea and information about sustainable development and i wish to go for more..................thanks once again
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Old 06-30-2008, 10:02 AM   #12 (permalink)
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It's like a mix of Biodome and the houses found on Tatooine.

It's nice in concept, but not something I would live in.
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parents know some people that built a straw bale house- apparently it matters a great deal how one goes about it- 5 years later they are demolishing it due to black mold and a rodent and bug infestation- Humid here in the midwest, and obviously they had some way in....
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http://www.youtube.com/user/stophelandis

This is pretty much a set a youtube videos following this one specific earthship being built, they are still building it, and the last video was put up on friday, the 27th of june, so they regularly update it.

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parents know some people that built a straw bale house- apparently it matters a great deal how one goes about it- 5 years later they are demolishing it due to black mold and a rodent and bug infestation- Humid here in the midwest, and obviously they had some way in....
yea, I've heard it is the most important to make sure moisture doesn't get into the walls, or else, it just molds away. I could see so many ways of that happening..

-Didn't wrap it properly
-Didn't coat it properly
-Stacks weren't compressed close enough together

just to name the major ones I could see. Humidity definitely doesn't help.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:00 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com
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Whoa! A real life celebrity!

I wonder if any TV celebrities post here.
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Old 07-25-2008, 08:22 AM   #17 (permalink)
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do you have any links or info? I have discovered about three in Ontario, from my estimates lol...

but not much information on any of them.



I can imagine, the great thing about them also is most of the materials are flexible in a creativity sense. Your mind is really the limit.
You can do pretty much anything you want. I was inside the building awhile back, and noted there was not enough light in the Loft...so I climbed up, took out three bales, built a buck and put in another window before rebuilding the wall.


The water/mold/rodent issue came about because of poorly made walls, and likely a short overhang on the roof. Just like any wall, you need to do it properly during construction, or it will fail.
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way to go tec!

when is it due to be fully completed?
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way to go tec!

when is it due to be fully completed?
About a month to go...I only have about 12 hrs a week to work on it, and tours/press/curious folk, take up a good 8 of that....heh
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Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Congrats!
Funny enough, a video of the rising cost of energy followed...

Need some art for those walls? *wink wink*
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Old 07-25-2008, 12:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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nice job on the video!

the house looks great also..

how do you plan on finishing the floors? earthen finish or, you gonna bring in something else?
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Congrats!
Funny enough, a video of the rising cost of energy followed...

Need some art for those walls? *wink wink*
prolly cost him the same as the whole house!
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nice job on the video!

the house looks great also..

how do you plan on finishing the floors? earthen finish or, you gonna bring in something else?
I did a french trench foundation, and have started the Passive Geothermal floor. Bare earth leveled/vapor barrier/Sand. I will build a floating frame system imbedded in the sand, and lay tile on top to allow the temperature of the Earth to heat and cool the interior. This combined with the passive solar window area should make it comfy year round.
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I did a french trench foundation, and have started the Passive Geothermal floor. Bare earth leveled/vapor barrier/Sand. I will build a floating frame system imbedded in the sand, and lay tile on top to allow the temperature of the Earth to heat and cool the interior. This combined with the passive solar window area should make it comfy year round.
That is very interesting method of building the floor, I haven't read anything on it.

are there any books you would recommend on these houses and the "fixtures" or additional things you have added?

I recently purchased the "Earthship Library" which includes The three earthship volumes, 2 DVDs, 1 PhotoCD, and the book Water from the Sky.

I am currently about a quarter through the third book.. and wow, just some of the science and thought behind the additions to the earthships are awesome. The most recent one that I have read, was on a Thermal Mass Refrigerator.

Are you going to be doing any rain collection?
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That is very interesting method of building the floor, I haven't read anything on it.

are there any books you would recommend on these houses and the "fixtures" or additional things you have added?

I recently purchased the "Earthship Library" which includes The three earthship volumes, 2 DVDs, 1 PhotoCD, and the book Water from the Sky.

I am currently about a quarter through the third book.. and wow, just some of the science and thought behind the additions to the earthships are awesome. The most recent one that I have read, was on a Thermal Mass Refrigerator.

Are you going to be doing any rain collection?
We built a shed style roof with coated metal to keep from contaminating the water, and expect about 800 gallons a year from the surface area and rainfall amounts. I will set a 110 gallon cistern behind the building with a sand filter (I do not feel like creating a carbon unit). Unfortunately....after completing the building I noted the tree that overhangs the roof...is a damn Mulberry tree.

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