Shauk

I'm really enjoying these tracks at the moment

I'm thinking of playing most of these (minus music is my weapon, I just like that track as a "theme" for me) in set for May.

looking for feedbacks

Shauk

yeah sometimes posting threads like this and getting zip in the way of responses reinforces what I posted http://www.tfproject.org/tfp/showthread.php?t=134158


I'm a special lil teapot. People just aren't gonna share my enthusiasm for this stuff /boohoo

Starshine

Well Shauk, I must say, I definitely didn't care for electronic music before you started sending me stuff! But now I think it's awesome. However, these songs really don't do anything for me, I think YOUR stuff is much more interesting!
But thank you for introducing me to Ronald Jenkees music! I <3 his stuff!

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guccilvr

well you know why I don't really post in threads like this.. wrong cup 'o tea for me.

but yeah more power to you and the heads you play it for..

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Shauk

yeah, such a dirty little niche I know. *shrug*

hehe.

Jinn

I love House/Dance, but I just can't handle Trance or D&B... it sounds so much like a broken record to me. I need fantastic changes of tempo and very little repetition. Tell me you've got some music out there I'd like. All of this sounds like drum and bass to me.. lots of muted symbol/clash sounds with artificial bass 'clicks'..

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hrmm

dance all sounds the same to me.. and I'm a D&B/Jungle kid. I can handle house in small doses but trance..nope..nada..no way. same with dance and gabber etc

oh..and that stuff up there.. is not even close to DnB..

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Shauk

I can almost see guccilvr stabbing himself in the face now having Drum and Bass compared to Trance

guccilvr

I'd rather just stab Jinn instead

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Shauk

Here's the thing I hate about trance.


which one of these is not like the other? (check out the waveforms)

Manic_Skafe

As I am very much so in to trance and drum and bass - I like all of the tracks. Especially the first and second.

Should make for an awesome set.

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guccilvr

Manic.. you must be an anomaly

every drum head I've ever been around hates trance

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Shauk

I like drum n bass too, not so much the "aggro" stuff, more the Bukem/Makoto/John B pace or the truely old school stuff that had an identity crisis like Acen

n0nsensical

well as one of the few other trance lovers around, I'll comment just didnt get a chance, I'm hella busy these days.

you definitely have a style. its very progressive. imo its a little difficult for home listening, that might help to explain why nobody else seems to get it, but on the dance floor with the right crowd it could work very well. progressive (as well as techno) is definitely a style of music that needs to be experienced not just listened to. its a little hard to convey the message over the internet to people who have never been out on the dance floor and enjoyed the experience.

you are already doing what I could not by evangelizing trance on TFP because I gave up trying to find anyone else who liked it here years ago. :P but now there's at least both of us (and will). I keep trying to get a mix together but every time I record one I'm not happy with the result because I think probably no one else would want to listen to it.

I also like just about every genre of electronic dance music including dnb, just don't get much of a chance to listen to it. I had a roommate who listened to LTJ bukem incessantly for a few months.

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Shauk

Yeah I pick my music based on the reaction my body parts get when i hear it.

but true, not so much for casual listening, but more for envisioning that "vibe" where people are just on the floor, smiling, having a good time, dancing, so on.


I really truely enjoy trance as one of the last genres of music that can make a person smile, considering there is so much out there that does just the opposite. Metal is pretty angry, Country is depressive, Emo is.... well, emo. Rap, not gonna go there..... Music kinda runs the gamut of emotions, and it's why no one would play "hurt" by nine inch nails on a dance floor full of happy people. buhaha.


the scene in Seattle is pretty hoppin.

there were about 1200 people at the Sasha and Digweed show last night... tuesday night, 1200 people. Venue was sold out so wonder how many more would have gone if they could have.

guccilvr

see I like music that makes me want to dance too.. but trance just makes me want to vomit. scene squatters don't help either.. uugh.

I can dance forever to DnB, Jungle or a good breakbeat..

I will however give props to sasha and digweed..

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Shauk

Trance makes you want to vomit. You may want to have that looked at.
My sarcasm detector is beeping. Ok so lets face facts, your food is soundly in place in your stomach, You don't actually have the need to empty the contents of your gut upon hearing certain kinds of music. All you have to say is, it's not my thing, I don't like it, I like X better than Y

Now I think I'm going to get offensive here but,
Junglists are the biggest bunch of crybabies I've ever had the displeasure of dealing with. They're the rednecks of the EDM scene, if they aren't showing off their love for Pabst Blue Ribbon or yelling "boh, rewind selectah", they aren't happy, so they have to try and fuck shit up for people who are happy, they have to jump on people who listen to Trance.

Trance listeners don't have any issue at all with admitting they like Drum & Bass too but the minute that happens, some Junglist gets all cryface over it and acts personally offended. And oh god, dear god, if a Junglist admits liking Trance? you may as fucking well paint a bullseye on his ass, he is now labeled a "Fag" by his Junglist peers. There is no room for diversity amongst them.

I saw too much of this shit play out in the last scene I was in, It's also why I don't tend to participate on electronic music forums. People don't talk about music on those forums. It's sad.

guccilvr

tsk tsk tsk..

now was that rant really necessary? Ok here's my take. We've gone through this before. I actually wasn't trying to go down this road again, because well I just don't like trance or gabber or techno and several other genre's of Electronic.

now am I saying this just because I'm a DnB head? No. Fuck that shit ok. You can put that shit on the shelf. You can't seriously claim that Junglists are the biggest crybabies in the industry. I was heavy in the scene for years and you know what I saw and who I saw cryin? The fuckin' trance heads who only wanted to chew on some goddamn rolex'es and wave their goddamn pretty lights in my face while they scream PLUR.. do you feel the PLUR?? If that didn't kill the fucking mood.. I don't know what would.

You will get purists and elitists in every genre of music. I see it in the DnB realm, the trance realm and everywhere in between. It's just a simple evil of the industry. Big fucking deal.

Ya know why I got so heavy into DnB and Jungle? Because it was an experience. It wasn't some jerkoff throwing a laptop onto a table and plugging in a few pieces of equipment and playing a setlist. I saw real talent on a pair of TURNTABLES in the scene. Yeah I'm elitist when it comes to tables. It's a dying art because of the massiveness that is enveloping the electronic scene. DnB and Junglists seem like they're more dedicated to keeping this around.

I like tons of different kinds of music. Give me a good breakbeat set and I'm happy.. give me some metal and I'm happy.. you get the point. Trance isn't my thing. You say trance makes a person smile.. that's good for you. It doesn't make everyone smile. that's just how it works my friend. and yes, I'm sure if I listened to trance long enough it would actually make me puke.

and goddamn man.. I gave props to Sasha and Digweed. That should have healed the wound I supposedly opened up in you.

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Jinn

I can't find any of the damn songs on seeqpod or playlist.com, so I'm just going to list them:

Little Star (Cascada Remix)
Moonlight Shadow (Groove Coverage)
What is Love (Haddaway) - lol, SNL
Love me Right (Angel City)
Borderline (Michael's Neon Wave Vocal) - Michael Gray
Listen to your Heart - D.H.T
Endless Summer - Siria
Anything by Sasha
Million Tears - Groove Coverage
Around the World - ATC (La La La La La)
Castles in the Sky - Ian Van Dahl


This is the kind of music I like. I don't know what you want to call it. but I call it "Dance" or "House".

What I meant by calling the above D&B - there's a synthesized drum sound that basically sounds like a compressed wave, no depth to it, just a tskkk, tskkk, tskkk. I hate that sound. Every D&B song I've ever heard had it. And most of the ones above, also had it. It's the first 15 seconds solid of that " Devotion - BRT Instrumental Mix"

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vanblah

n-tsss ... n-tsss ... n-tsss ... n-tsss ...

I do prefer real drums ... give me a little: guggada ... guggada ... guggada ... guggada ...

and some "a chicken and a biscuit" or "pat boone debbie boone"

and "tangin on the hump" ...

YEAH!

But really I love all music ... I definitely have my preferences. I enjoyed listening to the songs that Shauk posted. I don't know much about electronic music anymore ... I left that scene back when it was just House, Techno and Industrial (my preference then was Industrial). It still makes me wanna dance though.

Gotta love 606, 808, 909 and Simmons drum sounds. There's just something to 'em. Synth pads and sweeps over an aggressive drumbeat just do something to a dance floor that's truly amazing to watch.

We do it in my band on some songs ... not the recordings so much because we're just an indie band. But live we'll occasionally do something a little "dancier" and I get to have fun with my Oberheim.

Shauk

ahhhhhhhhh!

no! I wasn't saying I took issue with you not liking it.

I just think it's an "attitude" you convey that really rubs people as confrontational when you're like "makes me want to vomit"

an obvious hypole.

I am all too familiar with people not liking the genre.


I'm not really a big sasha and digweed fan, they're a little too chill for my tastes these days, however the northern exposure releases from way back when are still a good baseline for what influenced my musical tastes, so perhaps I should give them a little more credit

I'm hung over.

nevermind me, lol

Jenna

I love your playlists!

roachboy

i have trouble with trance for some of the same reasons gucci outlines--and also because as someone else says, this is a form best experienced in a club with good sound outfitted for the space--somewhere like sonotheque in chicago. i like turntablists and was also sucked into d&b through that--two of the best i have ever seen work the form---craze and dj/rupture. both stunning technically and both make sets that have had me dancing like an idiot for a very long time.

but this is only one area i listen to.
there are many forms, and most have their own pleasures.
i don't really find most dance-oriented material interesting as electronic music, though---it doesn't go in anything like directions that interest me. this may be a function of dousing myself with cash repellent every morning.
it's hard to say.

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Willravel

Pushover - Not really my cup of tea. The instrumentation is too harsh.

A Day in Heaven - Honestly, I'm not wild at all about the intro. The percussion is, and I know I'm describing trance, overly simplistic. The three beats on one, the and of one and two are somewhat grating. The choral section manages to create a decent enough contrast to help the listener forget the drums, and while it's not quite as melodic as I might write, it's pretty decent. I also like that Vadney allows the listener to get immersed in the sound instead of just jumping back into the beats. Quite honestly, it makes the beats even better when they do arrive. Overall I think the piece would be great without the first minute or two, or by replacing the heavy drums with a weaker synth beat of some sort.

Campfires at dusk - I realize the guitar was thrown in this one to make it sound unique, but it feels out of place. Guitars are best utilized for melody or for background. In this it's the featured instrument, but has the same measure repeating. I would have either given the guitar a melody or allowed it to be quieter and back up another melody.

Music is My Weapon - This isn't trance, it's techstep (I think). This isn't something I generally listen to so I don't know if my feedback would be worthwhile.

Devotion - Now THIS is trance! Great buildup, not overly simple or complex (for the genre), decent melody on piano; all around quality. In a word: sweet.

Rhapsody - I'm glad this wasn't an attempted trance version of Rhapsody in Blue. I actually prefer orchestration in trance as I feel it gives the music more flavor than you might have otherwise. This wasn't bad at all. It seems to me a bit like Daft Punk meets a trance meets a movie soundtrack.

Stabilizer - This might sound silly, but I swear I've heard this before. And I don't think it was DNB. It's not bad.

I'll check out more later, the phone is ringing again.

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Shauk

see this is the kind of review I enjoy. You kind of pick apart the things that I overlook for the sake of "theme"

cant wait to read the rest.