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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Anyone Doubt There's an Illuminati New World Order Conspirac
Does Anyone Doubt There's a New World Order / Illuminati Conspiracy?
- George W. Bush told us after September 11th that we mustnt tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories. Anxious to be intolerant of something new, I thought Id look into these outrageous claims. FOX News even suggested taking some time to peruse the internets fine cess-pool of conspiracy theories, so thats what I did. However, what I found was a vast library of factual information following the movements of a very real conspiracy. The conspiracy is for world governance under the United Nations. The conspirators are a cabal of international bankers, businessmen, politicians, media personalities, Illuminati families, and secret society elites. While this may surprise many and be simply unbelievable to others, that is because there has been a concerted effort, an info-war if you will, to keep the general population in willful ignorance regarding outrageous conspiracy theories. Branding this area of research as theory propagates it to the masses as unreliable and unimportant. However, just a tiny amount of investigation into subjects such as the JFK assassination, the Oklahoma City bombing, 9/11 or 7/7 show a massive amount of evidence against the official stories. I urge every one of you to perform your own research into the Illuminati and New World Order. Read the decades of thorough investigation into these subjects and learn why these conspiracy nuts are so adamant about their outrageous theories. You might just find out what all the buzz is about. - "It was not my intention to doubt that the doctrines of the Illuminati had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more fully satisfied of this fact than I am." -George Washington, 1782 "The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes." -Benjamin Disraeli, 1844 "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." -Woodrow Wilson, 1913 "I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated governments in the civilized world. No longer a government by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men." -Woodrow Wilson, 1916 "From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, to those of Trotsky, Bela Kun, Rosa Luxembourg, and Emma Goldman, this world wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played a definitely recognizable role in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the nineteenth century, and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads, and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire." -Winston Churchill, 1920 "The real menace of our Republic is the invisible government which like a giant octopus sprawls its slimy legs over our cities, states and nation. At the head is a small group of banking houses. This little coterie run our government for their own selfish ends. It operates under cover of a self-created screen, seizes our executive officers, legislative bodies, schools, courts, newspapers and every agency created for the public protection. -N.Y. Mayor, John Hylan, 1922 "The real truth of the matter is that a financial element in the large centers has owned the government since the days of Andrew Jackson" -Franklin D. Roosevelt, 1933 "Today the path to total dictatorship in the United States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have operating within our government and political system, another body representing another form of government, a bureaucratic elite which believes our Constitution is outmoded and is sure that it is the winning side. All the strange developments in the foreign policy agreements may be traced to this group who are going to make us over to suit their pleasure. This political action group has its own local political support organizations, its own pressure groups, its own vested interests, its foothold within our government, and its own propaganda apparatus." -Senator William Jenner, 1954 "The invisible Money Power is working to control and enslave mankind. It financed Communism, Fascism, Marxism, Zionism, Socialism. All of these are directed to making the United States a member of a World Government." -American Mercury Magazine, 1957 "The most powerful clique in these (CFR) groups have one objective in common: they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the U.S. They want to end national boundaries and racial and ethnic loyalties supposedly to increase business and ensure world peace. What they strive for would inevitably lead to dictatorship and loss of freedoms by the people. The CFR was founded for "the purpose of promoting disarmament and submergence of U.S. sovereignty and national independence into an all-powerful one-world government." -Harpers, July l958 "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society, and we are as a people, inherently and historically, oppossed to secret societies, secret oaths, and secret proceedings. For we are oppossed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless conspiracy that relies primarily on covert means for expanding its sphere of influence. It depends on infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation instead of free choice. It is a system which has conscripted vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly effecient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific, and political operations. Its preparations are concealed, not published, its mistakes are buried, not headlined, its dissenters are silenced, not praised, no expendature is questioned, no secret is revealed... I am asking your help in the tremendous task of informing and alerting the American people. -JFK, 1961 "The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the vehicle for multinational consolidation of the commercial and banking interests by seizing control of the political government of the United States. The Trilateral Commission represents a skillful, coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate the four centers of power political, monetary, intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic power superior to the political governments of the nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the system ,they will rule the future." -U.S. Senator Barry Goldwater, l964 "The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds' central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups." -Professor Carroll Quigley, 1966 "The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent." -Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets "We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries." -David Rockefeller, 1991 Trilateral Commission meeting "George Bush has been surrounding himself with people who believe in one-world government. They believe that the Soviet system and the American system are converging. The vehicle to bring this about, is the United Nations, the majority of whose 166 member states are socialist, atheist, and anti-American." -U.S. Ambassador David Funderburk, 1991 "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance." -George Bush, 1992 "[The New World Order] cannot happen without U.S. participation, as we are the most significant single component. Yes, there will be a New World Order, and it will force the United States to change it's perceptions." -Henry Kissinger, 1994 "Some even believe we (Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure---one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it." -David Rockefeller, 2002 Autobiography - Educate yourself and awaken the sheeple around you. World Governments have been hijacked by a cabal of globalists bent on one world government, world bank, world currency, world military, and a micro-chipped population under the United Nations. These people have many fronts which you all MUST RESEARCH including: the Bilderberg group, the Committee of 300, the Trilateral Commission, the Bohemian Grove, the Council on Foreign Relations, Skull and Bones Society, the Free Masons, the Council of 13, the Committee of 33, the Knights of Malta, the Illuminati, and the New World Order. Last edited by The_Jazz; 07-27-2007 at 06:24 AM. |
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Join Date: Jul 2003
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The problem is that most of the world practices styles of government which are antithetical to free living. Kleptocracy, oligarchy, monarchy, socialism, communism and democracy are all incompatible with freedom and individual Rights. Given that far, far more people practice and support such governments than practice and support a Constitutional Republic, such would likely be imposed by force.
Likewise, many of the world's governments would simply regard the representational-democratic system of such a "new world order" as a simply splendid means by which to rob (ie tax) the nations of the Europe, the US, and parts of Asia into penury. If anyone doubts this, imagine South America and Africa voting as a bloc; even if China and India abstained, there would still be enough votes for the likes of Chavez or Mobutu to force highway-robbery taxation onto wealthier nations and blocs such as the US and EU. Additionally, as the illustrative examples of the US and EU themselves show, the larger and wealthier and more complicated a Gov't is, the more inefficiant, bureaucratic, and oppressive it is. Free-speech laws are a classic example of this. Never forget that the nations of the world are ruled by the Bushes, Hitlers, Stalins, and Chavezes of the world. |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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I'm a new member so it won't let me post links but there's plenty on the web if you just type in the key words provided in the original post. Another great resource is my website which is at myspace (/sheeplerevolt). Here's a little blurb about the Bilderberg Group to jumpstart your research
The Bilderberg Group The Bilderberg Group annualy conduct a super-secret conference, a meeting of about 130 of the most powerful world leaders in business, media and politics. The club was created by Denis Healey, Joseph Retinger, David Rockefeller and former Nazi SS officer Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands. The invitation-only conference was started in 1954 and named for the Dutch hotel where the conference was first held. Those who attend promise not to reveal what was discussed, security is tight, and the press and public are barred. For the small minority of those aware of Bilderberg, the conference has been the subject of outrage and protest for many international world citizens and even religious groups who vehemently object to Bilderberg's disturbing New World Order agenda and influence. Previous attendees and speakers at the conference have included Democrat and GOP stalwarts alike, such as outgoing World Bank chief Paul Wolfowitz, former U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, George H. W. Bush, and Bill and Hilary Clinton, only to name a few. Last year, it was discovered the conference was held in Ottawa, and the Toronto Star reported that it had been able to obtain an unsigned press release saying that the 2006 group included David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Queen Beatrix of Holland, New York Gov. George Pataki, media moguls, high-level officials from Spain and Greece, and the heads of Coca-Cola, Credit Suisse and the Royal Bank of Canada. There is almost a complete Bilderberg blackout in the corporate owned and controlled U.S. media, as most of the powerful CEOs and media moguls are either sympathizers or members of Bilderberg themselves. Only 5 corporations own and control over 90% of the U.S. media, and they do an excellent job of keeping American citizens in the dark concerning the Bilderberg group and their globalist New World Order agenda. That explains why most Americans remain totally unaware that the club even exists. |
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Manhattan, NY
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I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Independent, either you're an asshole or you're not. |
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Camazotz
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I know it's unfair, but the word 'sheeple' throws a cutoff switch in my listening circuit.
I honestly wonder if it matters if this true. Somebody else runs the world anyway, I am never going to have any impact on world events. All I can do is try to carve out a piece where I get bothered as infrequently as possible. Whether it's the Illuminati or just the rich and powerful that we can see, my job is just to avoid them.
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Don't scoff at what I'm posting folks, look into it yourself. Go to myspace and type /sheeplerevolt for much more info. And if you can't laugh at the term "sheeple" you're incredibly propagandized. Have you all looked into Bilderberg? Here's some info to start you off on the Bohemian Grove:
What is the Bohemian Grove? The Bohemian Grove is a 2700 acre redwood forest, located in Monte Rio, CA. It contains accommodation for 2000 people to "camp" in luxury. It is owned by the Bohemian Club. What is the Bohemian Club? The Bohemian Club is a private. all male club, which is headquartered in the Bohemian building in San Francisco. It was formed in 1872 by men who sought shelter from the frontier culture (or lack of culture). Who are the present members? The Club has evolved into an association of rich and powerful men, mostly of this country (there are similar organizations in other countries). Some artists are allowed to join (often at reduced rates), because of their social status and entertainment value. The membership list has included every Republican U.S. president (as well as some Democrats) since 1923, many cabinet officials, and director; & CEO's of large corporations, including major financial institutions. What industries are represented among the members? Major military contractors, oil companies, banks (including the Federal Reserve), utilities (including nuclear power), and national media (broadcast and print) have high-ranking officials as club members or guests. Many members are, or have been, on the board of directors of several of these corporations. You should note that most of the above industries depend heavily on a relationship with government for their profitability. The members stay in different camps at the Grove, which have varying status levels. Members & frequent guests of the most prestigious camp (Mandalay) include: Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, S. D. Bechtel, Jr., Thomas Watson Jr. (IBM), Phillip Hawley (B of A), William Casey (CIA). and Ralph Bailey (Dupont). George Bush resides in a less prestigious camp (Hillbillies) with A. W. Clausen (World Bank), Walter Cronkite, and William F. Buckley. What activities take place at the grove? The grove is the site of a two week retreat every July (as well as other smaller get-togethers throughout the year). At these retreats, the members commune with nature in a truly original way. They drink heavily from morning through the night, bask in their freedom to urinate on the redwoods, and perform pagan rituals (including the "Cremation of Care", in which the members wearing red-hooded robes, cremate a coffin effigy of "Dull Care" at the base of a 40 foot owl altar). Some (20%) engage in homosexual activity (but few of them support gay rights or AIDS research). They watch (and participate in) plays and comedy shows in which women are portrayed by male actors. Although women are not allowed in the Grove, members often leave at night to enjoy the company of the many prostitutes who come from around the world for this event. Is any of this hard to believe? Employees of the Grove have said that no verbal description can accurately portray the bizarre behavior of the Grove's inhabitants. Besides this type of merriment. the annual gathering serves as an informational clearing house for the elite. The most powerful men in the country do their "networking" here, despite the Grove's motto "weaving spiders come not here" (don't do business in the Grove). At these gatherings men representing the government, military-industrial, and financial sectors meet and make major policy decisions. The Manhattan project, which produced the first atomic bombs, was conceived at the Grove in 1942. Other decisions made at the Grove include who our presidential candidates will be. There are speeches, known as "Lakeside Talks", wherein high-ranking officials disseminate information which is not available to the public-at-large. What's not right about this? When powerful people work together, they become even more powerful. The Grove membership is wealthy, and becoming more so, while the middle class is steadily becoming poorer. This close-knit group determines whether prices rise or fall (by their control of the banking system, money supply, and markets), and they make money whichever way markets fluctuate. They determine what our rights are and which laws have effect, by appointing judges. They decide who our highest officials shall be by consensus among themselves, and then selling candidates to us via the media which they own. Important issues and facts are omitted from discussion in the press, or slanted to suit their goals, but they are discussed frankly at the Grove. Is there true democracy when so much power is concentrated in so few hands? Is there any real difference between the public and private sectors when cabinet members come from the boardrooms of large corporations? Is the spending of billions on weapons, which are by consensus no longer needed, really the will of the people? Or is it the will of General Electric, General Dynamics, and the other weapons contractors represented at the Grove? |
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Chicago
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So let me get this straight - the proof you're offering is from your myspace page with no other supporting evidence? And you're not naming any members? Or directly quoting anyone who's been there?
Why do I care if someone gets laid? Why do I care if they piss in the woods? Why do I care if they get drunk? I don't know who they are. In short, you've given us nothing besides conjecture and a slightly tedious, albeit titilating, story.
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The proud dad of Max since 2/15/06 and Andrew since 1/9/08! "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - B. Franklin "There ought to be limits to freedom." - George W. Bush "We have met the enemy and he is us." - Pogo |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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[quote=The_Jazz]So let me get this straight - the proof you're offering is from your myspace page with no other supporting evidence? And you're not naming any members? Or directly quoting anyone who's been there?
QUOTE] Hey Jazz. No, the proof I'm offering comes from a variety of sources. The links to those however are on my page. At the moment I'm a new poster so Tilted won't allow me to post url's for links/documentaries etc. However all of that can be found on my myspace site. Members lists for most arms of the secret society network are there as well. You can google them yourself. You make it sound as though I'm fabricating this information because I've made it available on myspace. Anyway, some noteable members of Bohemian Grove include: Bill Clinton Jimmy Carter Ronald Reagan Colin Powell Henry Kissenger Donald Rumsfeld George Bush George W. Bush Richard Nixon Newt Gingrich Alan Greenspan David Gergen George Shultz William Casey William F. Buckley Robert Novak Prince Bandar Bin Abdul Aziz Dwight D. Eisenhower Dick Cheney James Woolsey Gerald Ford |
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Join Date: May 2003
Location: Indiana
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Nixon on Bohemian Grove Cremation of Care My favorite: David Gergen confrontation on Grove 'weaving spiders come not here'
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These are the times that try men's souls. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered. Last edited by samcol; 08-01-2007 at 10:22 AM. |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Here's a member list for Bilderberg. It's a who's who of political, banking, media and business elite:
Margaret Thatcher(1975)[1], former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Juan Carlos I, King of Spain Queen Sofia of Spain, wife of Juan Carlos I, King of Spain Queen Beatrix of the Netherlands[2] Bill Clinton (1991)[3], US President, 1993 - 2001 Infanta Cristina, Duchess of Palma de Mallorca, younger daughter of Juan Carlos I, King of Spain Tony Blair (1993)[3], former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Kostas Karamanlis (1998), current Prime Minister of Greece Angela Merkel (2005), current Chancellor of Germany Romano Prodi (Steering Committee Member of Bilderberg in the 1980s), current Italian Prime Minister and former President of the European Commission Jean Chrιtien, Canadian Prime Minister, 1993 - 2003 Paul Martin, Canadian Prime Minister, 2003 - 2006 Stephen Harper (2003), Canadian Prime Minister, 2006 - Present Francisco Pinto Balsemao, former Prime Minister of Portugal, 1981 - 1983 and CEO of Impresa media group Carl XVI Gustaf of Sweden, King of Sweden Fredrik Reinfeldt, elected Prime Minister of Sweden, 2006 - Present Carl Bildt[2], former Swedish Prime Minister and current Minister for Foreign Affairs Davνπ Oddsson, former Prime Minister of Iceland, 1991-2004 Philippe, Duke of Brabant, Crown Prince of Belgium Dan Quayle (1990,1991), former US Vice President Walter F. Mondale, former US Vice President Nelson A. Rockefeller, former US Vice President, former Governor of New York Gerald R. Ford (1964,1966), former US President Gerhard Schrφder, former Chancellor of Germany Helmut Kohl, former Chancellor of Germany Helmut Schmidt, former Chancellor of Germany Gro Harlem Brundtland, former Prime Minister of Norway Jens Stoltenberg, current Prime Minister of Norway Kεre Willoch, former Prime Minister of Norway Prince Philip (1965), Duke of Edinburgh Prince Charles (1986), Prince of Wales Members of United States administrations Christian Herter (1961, 63, 64)[4], former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger (2004[5],2005,2006), Secretary of State, 1973 - 1977 Richard Perle (2003), assistant Secretary of Defense, 1981 - 1987 Donald Rumsfeld (1975,2002), Secretary of Defense, 2001 - 2006 David L. Aaron, Deputy National Security Advisor Colin L. Powell (1997), former United States Secretary of State William J. Perry (1996), former United States Secretary of Defense Lloyd Bentsen (1989,1995,1996,1997), former United States Secretary of the Treasury Brent Scowcroft (1994), former National Security Advisor Nicholas F. Brady (1991), former United States Secretary of the Treasury Robert Zoellick (1991,2003,2006), former Deputy Secretary of State and proposed President of the World Bank Richard Holbrooke (1995,1996,1997,1998,1999,2004,2005,2006), former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations James A. Baker, former United States Secretary of State, former United States Secretary of the Treasury Lawrence Summers (1998,2002), former United States Secretary of the Treasury Heads of major corporations H. J. Heinz II (1954)[6], CEO of H. J. Heinz Company Josef Ackermann (2005), CEO of Deutsche Bank Lord Browne of Madingley (1997[2], 2004), Chief Executive BP Jorma Ollila (1997[2], 2005), Chairman of Royal Dutch Shell and Nokia Corporation Jόrgen E. Schrempp (1997[2], 2005), CEO of DaimlerChrysler Peter Sutherland (1997[2], 2005), former Chairman of BP Martin Taylor (1997)[2], former CEO, Barclays Daniel Vasella (2005), Chairman and CEO of Novartis Percy Barnevik (1997[2], 2001), former CEO of ASEA Anders Bjφrgerd (1973, 1982), former deputy CEO of Sydkraft AB Harald Norvik (2006), former CEO of Statoil Eivind Reiten , former CEO of Norsk Hydro Andrew Knight - Director of News Corporation, 1991-present, CEO of News International, 1900-1994, CEO and Editor-in-Chief The Daily Telegraph Group, Editor of The Economist, 1974-1984 UK cabinet ministers Gordon Brown, Chancellor of the Exchequer of the United Kingdom Kenneth Clarke, Chancellor of the Exchequer, 1993-1997; member of the Opposition 1998-1999, 2003-2004 Denis Healey, Secretary of State for Defence 1963-1970, Chancellor of the Exchequer 1974-1979 (founder member) Journalists Alexandre Adler, French conservative journalist (2003) Paul Gigot - Editor of the Editorial Page of The Wall Street Journal; 2003- Present Martin Wolf - Financial Times columnist Juan Luis Cebriαn - Ex-director of El Paνs Spanish journal, and delegated advisor of PRISA Group Will Hutton (1997)[3] Peter Jennings George Will (1981) Charlie Rose (2002) Fareed Zakaria (2002,2005) Andrea Mitchell (2002) Lesley Stahl (1997) Thomas L. Friedman (1995,2003) Bill D. Moyers (1971) Jim Hoagland (1993,1998,1999,2002) EU Commissioners European Union Commissioners who have attended include: Ritt Bjerregaard (1995) Frederik Bolkestein (2003)[7] Hans van den Broek (1995) Emma Bonino (1998) Leon Brittan (1998) Pascal Lamy (2003)[7] Mario Monti (1996,2003[7]) - former or present member of the Steering Committee Erkki Liikanen Pedro Solbes Gόnter Verheugen Antσnio Vitorino Romano Prodi - Steering Committee Member of Bilderberg in the 1980s Wim Duisenberg Lord Patten of Barnes Peter Mandelson (1999) Ιtienne Davignon, conference chairman in 2005 Neelie Kroes (2005, 2006) - present Commissioner for Competition UK civil servants Eric Roll (Steering committee)[8], Department of Economic Affairs, 1964 Military Terence Airey, Military Governor of Trieste Other attendees Joseph E. Johnson (1954)[6], President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. David Rockefeller, An original U.S. founding member, life member, and member of the Steering Committee (1954-); Zbigniew Brzezinski (Guest, 1972), President Carter's National Security Advisor; Gordon Richardson (1975)[9], Governor, Bank of England George W. Ball (1954-1992)[10], U.S. diplomat Lord Black of Crossharbour (1997)[2], Telegraph Chairman; William J McDonough (1997)[2], President, Federal Reserve Bank of New York; Sauli Niinistφ (1997)[2], former Finnish Finance Minister, Speaker of eduskunta C. Fred Bergsten (1997)[2], President, Peterson Institute; Leif Pagrotsky (2001), Swedish Minister for Education, Research and Culture [1]; Bjφrn Bjarnason, in 1988 and 1991 as vice editor of Morgunblaπiπ, and in 1993 and 1995 as Icelandic minister of education; Guest at the 2003 Bilderberg Meeting included Carlos M. Collazo; Richard N. Haass (2004)[5], president, Council on Foreign Relations; Guests at the 2004 Bilderberg Meeting included John Edwards, James Wolfensohn, Melinda Gates, and Mario Draghi; Guests at the 2005 Bilderberg Meeting included Vernon Jordan and Mark Warner and may also have included, according to the Financial Times of May 2, Natan Sharansky and Bernard Kouchner; Guests at the 2006 Bilderberg Meeting included Vernon Jordan, George Pataki, Richard Perle, Dennis Ross, and prominent Canadians Paul Desmarais, Frank McKenna, Heather Reisman and Globe and Mail publisher Philip Crawley, Mahmood Sariolghalam (Iran National University), Siv Jensen, leader of Norwegian political party Fremskrittspartiet, Johann Olav Koss, and chairman of Scandinavian Airlines Egil Myklebust; Heather Munroe-Blum, Principal and Vice-Chancellor, McGill University, Montreal, Canada. George Osborne(2006)[11]- Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer 2004-Present; member of the opposition 2001-Present Bill Bradley (1985), former US Senator Jay Rockefeller (1971), current US Senator L. Douglas Wilder (1991), former Governor of Virginia, current Mayor of Richmond, Virginia Bill Richardson (1999,2000), current Governor of New Mexico Christopher Dodd (1999,2000,2001), current US Senator Chuck Hagel (1999,2000,2001), current US Senator Evan Bayh (1999), current US Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison (2000,2002), current US Senator Hillary Clinton (1997), current US Senator Dianne Feinstein (1991), current US Senator Jon Corzine (1995,1996,1997[2],1999,2003,2004), current Governor of New Jersey James Florio (1994), former Governor of New Jersey Christine Todd Whitman (1998), former Governor of New Jersey Sam Nunn (1996,1997[2]), former US Senator Tom Foley (1995,2002), former Speaker of the US House of Representatives Lee H. Hamilton (1997)[2], former US Congressman George Stephanopoulos (1996,1997[2]) William Kristol (1995) David Gergen (1995) William F. Buckley, Jr. (1975,1996) Mortimer Zuckerman (1994) James Kimsey (2006) George Soros (1994,1996,2000,2002) Dora Bakoyannis (2003), current Minister for Foreign Affairs (Greece), former Mayor of Athens Rupert Murdoch Javier Solana Paul Volcker (1997)[2], former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Alan Greenspan (2002), former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Siv Jensen (2006), Chairman Fremskrittspartiet, Norwegian neo-conservative party John G. Bernander , former head of the Norwegian national broadcaster NRK Paddy Ashdown (1989), former leader of the UK Liberal Democrats David Owen, former British Foreign Secretary Marcus Wallenberg, current Chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken, former CEO of Investor AB Jacob Wallenberg, current Chairman of Investor AB, former Chairman of Skandinaviska Enskilda Banken Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild Guy de Rothschild Sir Evelyn de Rothschild (1998) Emma Rothschild (1995) Lynn Forester de Rothschild (1998) Otto von Habsburg, Archduke and Crown Prince of Austria Josι Manuel Barroso, current President of the European Commission Alexander Haig, former United States Secretary of State Daniel Janssen Winston Lord, former United States Ambassador to China Donald E. Graham, Chairman of the Board of The Washington Post Company Dwayne Andreas, Chairman and CEO of Archer Daniels Midland Jaap de Hoop Scheffer, current Secretary General of NATO George Robertson, Baron Robertson of Port Ellen, former Secretary General of NATO Kurt Waldheim, former Secretary-General of the United Nations Franz Vranitzky, former Austrian Chancellor Alfred Gusenbauer, current Chancellor of Austria Siegmund Warburg, founder of S.G. Warburg & Co. Eric Warburg, founder of Warburg Pincus Robert S. McNamara, former US Secretary of Defense, former President of the World Bank Franz Josef Strauί, former Defense Minister of Germany Robert Rubin, former US Secretary of the Treasury Valιry Giscard d'Estaing, former President of the French Republic Rahmi Koη, Turkish business tycoon Louis V. Gerstner, former Chairman of IBM, current Chairman of The Carlyle Group Maurice R. Greenberg, former Chairman and CEO of American International Group Rodrigo de Rato, current IMF Managing Director Graham Allison Jacques Attali Jozias van Aartsen, former Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs Maxime Verhagen, current Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs Michael Dukakis (1988), former Governor of Massachusetts Michael Boskin (1991) Jacques Parizeau, former Premier of Quebec Lionel Jospin, former Prime Minister of France Dominique de Villepin (2003), Former Prime Minister of France Laurent Fabius, former Prime Minister of France Michel Rocard, former Prime Minister of France Dominique Strauss-Kahn E. Gerald Corrigan, former President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, current Goldman Sachs Managing Director George J. Mitchell, former US Senator Antσnio Guterres, former Prime Minister of Portugal Garret FitzGerald, former Prime Minister of Ireland John Bruton, former Prime Minister of Ireland John Major, former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom Norman Lamont, former Chancellor of the Exchequer William Hague, former leader of the Conservative Party (UK), current Shadow Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind, former British Foreign Secretary Douglas Hurd, former British Foreign Secretary Cecil Parkinson, former Chairman of the Conservative Party Preston Manning Felipe Gonzalez, former Prime Minister of Spain Joaquνn Almunia Jean-Claude Trichet, current President of the European Central Bank Alexandre Lamfalussy Mervyn A. King, current Governor of the Bank Of England Jacques de Larosiθre, former Governor of the Banque de France Kemal Derviş, current UNDP Administrator Ad Melkert, current UNDP Associate Administrator William J. Luti Timothy F. Geithner, current President of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York Rick Perry (2007), current Governor of Texas Jyrki Katainen (2007), current Finnish Minister of Finance Michael Barone (pundit) (2007) Lloyd Blankfein (2007), CEO of Goldman Sachs Eric E. Schmidt (2007), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Google Kathleen Sebelius (2007), current Governor of Kansas Sidney Taurel (2007), Chairman and Chief Executive Officer, Eli Lilly Vin Weber (2007) Josette Sheeran (2007), Executive Director of United Nations World Food Programme Kristen Silverberg (2007) Peter A. Thiel (2007), Co-Founder, PayPal Ross Wilson (ambassador) (2007), current United States Ambassador to Turkey Philip D. Zelikow (2007) Marc Grossman (2007) Esther Dyson (2007) Craig Mundie Tim Collins (financier) John Kerr, Baron Kerr of Kinlochard Richard Dearlove (2007), former head of MI6 Jason Kenney (2007) Guido Westerwelle (2007), Leader of the Free Democratic Party of Germany Anders Borg (2007), current Minister for Finance of Sweden Frank Heemskerk (2007) Dermot Gleeson, Chairman of Allied Irish Banks Michael McDowell (2007) Michel Barnier (2007), former French Foreign Minister Paul Hermelin (2007), CEO of Capgemini Laurence Parisot (2007), Head of French MEDEF Christine Ockrent (2007) John Elkann Klaus Schwab Anna Diamantopoulou Georgios Alogoskoufis, current Minister for Economy and Finance (Greece) Mogens Lykketoft Idar Kreutzer (2007), CEO of Storebrand Klaus Kleinfeld, CEO of Siemens AG Hikmet Ηetin (2007) Emre Gφnensay (2007) Ali Babacan (2007) Sόleyman Demirel, former Prime Minister of Turkey Bόlent Ecevit, former Prime Minister of Turkey Adnan Menderes, former Prime Minister of Turkey |
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Join Date: Apr 2003
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Everybody should be concerned when world leaders need to meet in secret or are part of secret societies. By doing so they are conspiring and the theory becomes fact.
We should be concerned Dubya attends what his predecessor calls the "faggiest goddamned place". |
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i'm not sure why i'm supposed to believe speculation rooted in typical conspiracist fears ? and you are asking if anyone would so much as "doubt" these ideas ?
i am sure there's 60 geocities pages out there with all the "reasearch" i can handle. and it's strange that they would all say the same thing ... like a herd of sheep perhaps ? |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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To the gentleman above me: keep researching those geocities sites... you may find a reason why all the information lines up. Here's some Skull and Bones info:
Skull and Bones As opposite as George Bush and John Kerry may seem to be, they do share a common secret - one they've shared for decades, and one they would not share with the electorate. The secret: details of their membership in Skull and Bones, the elite Yale University society whose members include some of the most powerful men of the 20th century. Only 15 seniors are picked each year by the former graduating class. They are required as a part of their initiation ceremony to lie naked in a coffin and recite their sexual history. This method allows other members to control the individual by threatening to reveal their innermost secrets if they do not "go-along". George Bush's father as well as George Bush were and are members of Skull & Bones. A key figure in Skull & Bones was William Averall Harriman. Pamela Harriman supplied the funds to elect Bill Clinton to office. Harriman was THE major backer of the Democratic Party for over 50 years. Major players in Skull & Bones have been linked to the financing of both world wars and the creation of many think-tanks and Universities in this country. Bush's father was a major contributor to the "Hitler Project" as well as the build-up of the Soviet Union. I think Skull and Bones has had slightly more success than the mafia in the sense that the leaders of the five families are all doing 100 years in jail, and the leaders of the Skull and Bones families are doing four and eight years in the White House, says Rosenbaum. "Henry L. Stimson" (S&B 1888) was President Taft's secretary of war (1911-13), and President Herbert Hoover's secretary of state (1929-33). As secretary of war (1940-45), Stimson pressed President Truman to drop the atomic bomb on the Japanese. Yale, Professor of History, Gaddis Smith, said, "Yale has influenced the Central Intelligence Agency more than any other university, giving the CIA the atmosphere of a class reunion." And "Bonesman" have been foremost among the "spooks", virtually building the CIA into a "haunted house." F. Trubee Davison (Skull and Bones '18), was Director of Personnel at the CIA in the early years. Some of the other Bonesmen connected with the "intelligence community" are: William Sloane Coffin, Jr. ('49); V. Van Dine ('49); James Buckley ('44); Bill Buckley ('50); Hugh Cunnigham ('34); Hugh Wilson; Reuben Holden; Charles R. Walker; "Yale's unofficial Secretary of War," Robert D. French ('10); Archibald MacLiesh ('15); Dino Pionzio ('50), CIA Deptuy Chief of Station during Allende overthrow; William and McGeorge Bundy; Richard A. Moore ('3?); Senator David Boren ('63); Senator John Kerry; and of course George Bush. Bush "tapped" Coffin, who, tapped Buckley. The Nation Magazine and New Republic on the "Left" were financed by Willard Straight, using Payne Whitney (Skull and Bones) Funds. The "National Review" on the "Right" was published by William F. Buckley a member. A few other prominent Bonesmen are: Henry Luce ('20), Time-Life; John Thomas Daniels, founder Archer Daniels Midland; Gifford Pinchot ('89); President Theodore Roosevelt's chief forester, Frederick E. Weyerhaeuser ('96); Harold Stanley ('08), founder Morgan Stanley, investment banker; Alfred Cowles ('13), Cowles Communication, Henry P. Davison ('20), senior partner Morgan Guaranty Trust; Thomas Cochran ('04) Morgan partner; Senator John Heinz; Pierre Jay ('92), first chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York; George Herbert Walker, Jr. ('27), financier and co-founder of the NY Mets; Artemus Gates ('18), President of New York Trust Company, Union Pacific, TIME, Boeing Company; William Draper III, the Defense Department, UN and Import-Export Bank; Dean Witter, Jr., investment banker; Senator Jonathan Bingham; Potter Stewart ('36), Supreme Court Justice; Senator John Chaffe; Harry Payne Whitney ('94), married Gertrude Vanderbilt, investment banker; Russell W. Davenport ('23), editor Fortune Magazine, created Fortune 500 list; Evan G. Galbraith, Ambassador to France and Managing Director of Morgan Stanley; Judge John Steadman, the Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia; Richard Gow ('55), president Zapata Oil (George Bush's company); Amory Howe Bradford ('34), married Carol Warburg Rothschild and was general manager for the New York Times ; C. E. Lord ('49), Comptroller of the Currency; Winston Lord ('59), Chairman of CFR, Ambassador to China and a Clinton assistant Secretary of State; John Lilley, ambassador to China. Members of Skull and Bones & Nazis in Union Banking Corp. : Directors in 1932 (A) E. Roland Harriman (1917) Vice President of W.A. Harriman and Co., N.Y. (B) Knight Wooley (1917) Director of Guaranty Trust, N.Y. and Dir. of the Federal Reserve Bank of N.Y. (C) Ellery Sedgewick James (1917) Partner Brown Brothers and Co. N.Y. (D) Prescott Sheldon Bush (1917) Partner Brown Bros, Harriman, Father of Ex-President George Bush (E) H.J. Kouwenhoven (Nazi) Nazi banker, managing partner of August Thyssen Bank and Bank Voor Handel Scheepvaart N.V. (The transfer bank for Thyssen's funds) (F) Johann Groninger (Nazi) Director of Bank Voor Handel en Scheepvaart and Vereinigte Stahlwerke (Thyssen's Steel operations) The other two members were : (G) J.L. Guinter Director of Union Banking Corp. (H) Cornelius Lievense President, Union Banking Corp. and Director of Holland American Investment Corp. Established in 1924 as a unit of W.A. Harriman and Co. (A joint Walker, Thyssen, Harriman operation). The founding partners were George Herbert Walker, Co-founder & sponsor (Grandfather of George Herbert Walker Bush, Ex-President, on the Father's side. William Averill Harriman and Fritz Thyssen of the German Steel Trust. The office of Union Banking Corp. was the N.Y. office of the German Steel Trust. |
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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Many uninformed people like yourself say there's not enough proof of the NWO and it's ridiculous. Take a look at those 60 geocities sites and maybe you'll learn why they all say the same thing. Go to my site www.myspace.com/sheeplerevolt and read "The History of the New World Order" and "The Secret Society Network." Watch the videos "Terrorstorm" and "Secrets of the Matrix." You people are so brain-washed to be stubborn cynics that you can't suspend your propagated disbelief long enough to learn. Here's some info on the Council on Foreign Relations and the North American Union: The Council on Foreign Relations Pat Robertson, in "The New World Order," states that Colonel House, along with other internationalists, realized that America would not join any scheme for world government without a change in public opinion. After a series of meetings, it was decided that an "Institute of International Affairs", with two branches, in the United States and England, would be formed. The British branch became known as the Royal Institute of International Affairs, with leadership provided by members of the Round Table. Begun in the late 1800's by Cecil Rhodes, the Round Table aimed to federate the English speaking peoples of the world, and bring it under their rule. The Council on Foreign Relations was incorporated as the American branch in New York on July 29, 1921. Founding members included Colonel House, and "...such potentates of international |