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dksuddeth · 05-19-2008, 07:18 AM

http://folsomtelegraph.com/detail/84466.html

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A student of a large bible college in east Texas was accused by federal agents of committing an "act of terror and espionage" after he gave a talk to a group of Boy Scouts in which he encouraged them to educate themselves about the U.S. constitution.

Jeff, who wishes to remain anonymous at present, is a student of the college and an interim pastor of a small church in Mount Vernon, Texas. He appeared today as a guest on the Alex Jones Show to relate what took place.

As part of his duties as an advisor in the college office, Jeff was tasked with the role of giving a short speech and a tour to a group of Boy Scouts that were visiting the college, with a focus on how patriotism and liberty are emphasized in the teaching style of the university.

Jeff said he told the boys, "It's going to be you who is going to take this country and either make or break it - you need to get back to your constitution, you need to get to know your bill of rights and you need to stand up for them."

Jeff also mentioned that the freedoms enumerated in the bill of rights were fast being usurped by the government and he briefly talked about the USA Patriot Act.

"I said they're stripping us of what we know to be America, what you need to do is re-orient yourself to the constitution because that is the very founding basis of our government and it is the supreme law of the land," he added.

The next day Jeff was called into the main administrative office of the university where he was met by college officials and two men wearing dark suits and sunglasses who did not identify themselves. A state trooper was also guarding the door to make sure everyone stayed inside the office.

Jeff was asked by the men if he talked to the Boy Scouts about the constitution the previous day. Jeff was then shown a transcript of what he said and asked to fill in the blanks.

"I saw the transcript of what I said and every word that those boys had said," stated Jeff.

Jeff speculated that the recording of his talk with the Boy Scouts may have been made by a scout master who looked like a Marine that was taking the tour with Jeff.

After asking the men where they were from, Jeff was told he was committing "acts of terror and espionage" by talking to the Boy Scouts about the constitution and the bill of rights.

Jeff was unable to ascertain exactly where the feds were from but university officials later indicated that DHS (Department of Homeland Security) and the FBI were involved.

Jeff said that the two men told him, "If you say anything, do anything, continue to talk about these kind of things, we can have your head on a silver platter and the University's head on a silver platter and all the programs they've got going on."

Jeff said that a high level college official who was present during the meeting, himself an ex-Marine Vietnam veteran, was extremely nervous and "shaking" as Jeff was being lectured by the two men.

"I went to my room and I broke down in tears," said Jeff after the meeting was finished, "That's it - our country's gone," he added.

To have secret police threatening bible college students for talking about the constitution is the most disturbing and un-American scenario one can possibly imagine, but it's not a new phenomenon.

This is just the latest shocking example of how federal agents and authorities across America are targeting people who discuss the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights and accusing them of engaging in political terrorism.

Alex Jones' 2001 documentary film 9/11: The Road to Tyranny featured footage from a FEMA symposium given to firefighters and other emergency personnel in Kansas City in which it was stated that the founding fathers, Christians and homeschoolers were terrorists and should be treated with the utmost suspicion and brutality in times of national emergency.

The lecturer identifies George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and other founding fathers as "terrorists".

In 2001, housewife Abbey Newman was assaulted and arrested by police at a checkpoint for exercising her 4th amendment right. Cops looked through literature which included a copy of a pocket constitution and debated whether or not the material was illegal.

In 2004, Kelly Rushing was charged with making "terroristic threats" after he handed out Alex Jones' videos and recordings of a Congressman Ron Paul speech on C-Span to Lyon County, Kentucky officials and Kentucky State Trooper Lewis Dobbs.

A jury later ruled in favor of Rushing but he continues to be harassed by authorities and local law enforcement.

In October last year a Michigan man was harassed, handcuffed, assaulted, branded "unpatriotic" and subjected to an unconstitutional search of his vehicle during which drugs were allegedly planted, before being ticketed by a police officer for the apparent crime of freely distributing DVD's about 9/11 truth.

We have highlighted previous training manuals issued by state and federal government bodies which identify whole swathes of the population as potential terrorists. A Texas Department of Public Safety Criminal Law Enforcement pamphlet gives the public characteristics to identify terrorists that include buying baby formula, beer, wearing Levi jeans, carrying identifying documents like a drivers license and traveling with women or children.

A Virginia training manual used to help state employees recognize terrorists lists anti-government and property rights activists as terrorists and includes binoculars, video cameras, paper pads and notebooks in a compendium of terrorist tools.

Shortly after 9/11 a Phoenix FBI manual that was disseminated amongst federal employees at the end of the Clinton administration's term in office caused waves on the Internet after it was revealed that potential terrorists included, "defenders of the US Constitution against federal government and the UN, " and individuals who "make numerous references to the US Constitution."

To have secret police and federal authorities target people who discuss the very document that they swore an oath to uphold and protect is a chilling prospect and rivals anything that was a pre-cursor to Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia.

The precedent of treating a knowledge of the U.S. constitution and the bill of rights as suspicious and possibly a sign of terrorism can only be linked to careful preparations for martial law which are now public.

A shocking KSLA news report last summer confirmed the story we first broke in 2006, that Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government to "quell dissent" and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

In May 2006, we exposed the existence of a nationwide FEMA program which is training tens of thousands of Pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for the implementation of martial law, property and firearm seizures, mass vaccination programs and forced relocation.

A whistleblower who was secretly enrolled into the program told us that the feds were clandestinely recruiting religious leaders to help implement Homeland Security directives in anticipation of a potential bio-terrorist attack, any natural disaster or a nationally declared emergency.

The first directive was for Pastors to preach to their congregations Romans 13, the often taken out of context bible passage that was used by Hitler to hoodwink Christians into supporting him, in order to teach them to "obey the government" when martial law is declared.

It was related to the Pastors that quarantines, martial law and forced relocation were a problem for state authorities when enforcing federal mandates due to the "cowboy mentality" of citizens standing up for their property and second amendment rights as well as farmers defending their crops and livestock from seizure.

It was stressed that the Pastors needed to preach subservience to the authorities ahead of time in preparation for the round-ups and to make it clear to the congregation that "this is for their own good."

Pastors were told that they would be backed up by law enforcement in controlling uncooperative individuals and that they would even lead SWAT teams in attempting to quell resistance.

The chilling preparations for martial law and the targeting of Americans who merely talk about the U.S. constitution should act as a wake-up call and prompt more people in different levels of authority throughout religious and educational establishments to go public and expose similar examples of this unfolding tyranny.

I'm sure this is all just a bunch of conspiracy crap, tin foil stuff, right??? anyone?

Jinn · 05-19-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by dksuddeth

http://folsomtelegraph.com/detail/84466.html

I'm sure this is all just a bunch of conspiracy crap, tin foil stuff, right??? anyone?

I'm glad you said it for me. Any additional sources reporting this 'news'? The last couple paragraphs have absolutely nothing newsworthy about them.

Ustwo · 05-19-2008, 09:49 AM

I remember our visit to "Jeff", he won't be bothering us again.

RetroGunslinger · 05-19-2008, 10:33 AM

Unless someone can come up with another source, I'm going to write this off as conspiracy as well. It seems a little too out there to be real, but I could be wrong.

Willravel · 05-19-2008, 11:04 AM

If this is true, it probably has more to do with his freely speaking about the realities of the Patriot Act.

Still, something smells rotten with this one.

dc_dux · 05-19-2008, 02:03 PM

Anything published from an Alex Jones (the country's leading conspiracy theorist) interview or on Alex Jones' websites, PrisonPlanet.com or InfoWars.com should be subject to multiple additional sources to verify accuracy.

samurai_x44 · 05-20-2008, 06:44 PM

If you didn't vote for Bush you are considered an enemy combatant, stripped of all your clothes along with your freedoms and served as entertainment to the boys in Iraq!

Ustwo · 05-20-2008, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

If this is true, it probably has more to do with his freely speaking about the realities of the Patriot Act.

Still, something smells rotten with this one.

Have they come for you yet? I have it penciled in for Thursday, but that can change quickly depending if that Brownie Troop 12 is acting up again.

Mrs. Mulligan will rue the day she crossed paths with the Bush administration!

Willravel · 05-21-2008, 12:05 AM

I might be on a list or something, but quite frankly I don't really worry about "them coming for me".

The story is clearly exaggerated at best.

Ustwo · 05-21-2008, 12:23 AM

Actually I'm sure some shit like this does happen at a local level, but its more the work of a not so bright Barney Fife type with a small man complex than anything from above.

Manuel Hong · 05-22-2008, 03:57 PM

I'd comment, but the surveillance prevents me from doing so.

Halx · 05-23-2008, 10:05 AM

I know if I got this kind of treatment, I'd be taking the story a bigger platform.

fastom · 05-26-2008, 01:36 AM

But the bigger platform will ignore you just like they've ignored the plunder and pillage of the constitution.

http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/mod...ticle&sid=4423

05-19-2008, 09:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes Join Date: Apr 2003	I remember our visit to "Jeff", he won't be bothering us again. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

05-19-2008, 10:33 AM	#4 (permalink)
RetroGunslinger eats puppies and shits rainbows Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: An Area of Space Occupied by a Population, SC, USA	Unless someone can come up with another source, I'm going to write this off as conspiracy as well. It seems a little too out there to be real, but I could be wrong. __________________ To summarize: It's a rare pleasure in this world to get your mind fucked. Usually it's just foreplay. The best porn is gun porn. It's only rape if the bitch lives. Suffer For Your Art

05-19-2008, 11:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	If this is true, it probably has more to do with his freely speaking about the realities of the Patriot Act. Still, something smells rotten with this one. __________________ ɯǝɥʇ ǝʌlos uɐɔ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ ǝɔuɐɹouƃı ɥƃnoɹɥʇ ʇou sı ʇı 'sɯǝlqoɹd ǝʇɐǝɹɔ uɐɔ ǝƃpǝlʍouʞ ɟı

05-19-2008, 02:03 PM	#6 (permalink)
dc_dux Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington DC	Anything published from an Alex Jones (the country's leading conspiracy theorist) interview or on Alex Jones' websites, PrisonPlanet.com or InfoWars.com should be subject to multiple additional sources to verify accuracy. __________________ "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. " ~ H.L. Mencken

05-20-2008, 06:44 PM	#7 (permalink)
samurai_x44 Upright Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Montreal	If you didn't vote for Bush you are considered an enemy combatant, stripped of all your clothes along with your freedoms and served as entertainment to the boys in Iraq! __________________ everything will be OK in the end. if it's not OK, it's not the end. unknown

05-21-2008, 12:05 AM	#9 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	I might be on a list or something, but quite frankly I don't really worry about "them coming for me". The story is clearly exaggerated at best. __________________ ɯǝɥʇ ǝʌlos uɐɔ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ ǝɔuɐɹouƃı ɥƃnoɹɥʇ ʇou sı ʇı 'sɯǝlqoɹd ǝʇɐǝɹɔ uɐɔ ǝƃpǝlʍouʞ ɟı

05-21-2008, 12:23 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes Join Date: Apr 2003	Actually I'm sure some shit like this does happen at a local level, but its more the work of a not so bright Barney Fife type with a small man complex than anything from above. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

05-22-2008, 03:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
Manuel Hong Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Land of the puny, wimpy states	I'd comment, but the surveillance prevents me from doing so. __________________ Believe nothing, even if I tell it to you, unless it meets with your own good common sense and experience. - Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)

05-23-2008, 10:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
Halx Please touch this. Owner/Admin Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Manhattan	I know if I got this kind of treatment, I'd be taking the story a bigger platform. __________________ - Hal(x) "But suppose everybody on our side felt that way." "Then I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way. Wouldn't I?" [Read Me]

05-26-2008, 01:36 AM	#13 (permalink)
fastom Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: way out west	But the bigger platform will ignore you just like they've ignored the plunder and pillage of the constitution. http://www.dictatorshipwatch.com/mod...ticle&sid=4423 Last edited by fastom; 05-26-2008 at 01:48 AM.