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Old 08-10-2008, 11:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Do you believe in positive thinking?

I believe in the Law of Attraction....one attracts to their life whatever they give their energy and focus to....whether wanted or not.

The Law of Attraction is much more then positive thinking....and it's based on quantum physics. It's a universal law.
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Old 08-10-2008, 11:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:17 PM   #3 (permalink)
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No. Not the way you mean, anyway. And, I don't want to sound like I'm belittling your beliefs, but I very much doubt it's based on quantum mechanics.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:26 PM   #4 (permalink)
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No I do not believe in the power of positive thinking. I believe in the power of being positive. But postive thinking? No. If so then everyone who thinks positively about winning the lottery would have done so. If it was that simple then my positive thinking would have netted me a new job and higher salary. If so then more people with cancer, HIV/AIDS would survive.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:32 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I believe in the power of positive thinking as a psychological tool. In that positive thinking tends to give you a positive outlook on life, thereby altering your perceptions on the world around you.

I do believe in the power of karma, and how the energy behind thoughts and actions can affect real change in the world, but it's not at all the same thing.
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Old 08-10-2008, 12:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The quantum physicists cited in The Secret and What the Bleep do We Know? have all come out after the fact saying they were taken out of context. Some have been quite upset to have their field manipulated in that way. Whatever message those films and the books and other products surround them are promoting, it doesn't have much to do with actual quantum mechanics.

To address the OP question: I don't believe in positive thinking the way most people usually talk about it. We can't convincingly talk ourselves into or out of anything. Not for long, at least. Positive thinking doesn't call into any question the "truth" of our view of a situation--instead it attempts to invoke and therefore summon forth whatever is needed to survive or overcome how it "is", and that "truth" is left intact as "THE truth". It's actually cemented in place as a thing that "is" that must be overcome or survived. So any effort (including positive thinking) to "improve" how it "is" just leaves you with more truth and mass around that which "is".

Now, if we get responsible for the talking we're already doing (to ourselves and others) and the world and "truth" that our usual language calls into existence, THEN something actually new is possible.

This post probably sounds like complete gobbledygook, but if you get what I'm saying here, it's life-altering.
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Old 08-10-2008, 08:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Wasn't there a whole chapter devoted to this sort of thing, toward the back of the book The Dilbert Principle, by Scott Adams?



EDIT: Correction, the book was The Dilbert Future.

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Old 08-18-2008, 10:22 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Wasn't the whole mystique behind the positive thinking, that you are more accessible. And because of that, people threat you in another (read: better) way?

I believe in it, because with a positive thinking (but not dreaming), you don't have to face all (but some) of those madness and sadness we are trying to live with every day.
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Old 08-18-2008, 10:45 AM   #9 (permalink)
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The power of causation will always trump the power of positive thinking. Always.

The Law of Causality easily disproves the "Law" of Attraction.
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Old 08-19-2008, 02:22 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Well, I believe in it but that doesn't mean it always works unfortunately.
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Old 08-19-2008, 04:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Old 08-20-2008, 03:48 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Not in the sense of nonsense derived from a misapplication of quantum physics, but if you believe in it, it can't be any worse than placebo (which shouldn't be a substitute for anything)
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Old 08-20-2008, 08:50 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't look on the bright side of life. And I'm still here. Am I happy? Sure. Whatever. Fuck you. Why does that even matter? I live my life how I want to. You live yours how you want to. Be happy. I'll be the angry cunt in the corner making fun of your pink polo shirt.
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Old 08-22-2008, 04:33 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Positive thinking, to me, does not itself induce any changes upon the world, but it can enable some people to establish the motivation necessary to change aspects of their own life, oftentimes for the better.

Example: Instead of sinking into a harmful depression with substance abuse after discovering that your girlfriend has dumped you for the pool boy, realize that you were just relieved of someone in your life who did not love you enough to stay, but loved you enough not to cheat during your relationship. She enabled you to move on, now get off your ass and do it!

Positive Thinking --> Energy/Motivation to Change --> Change --> Life Improvement --> Happiness
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:21 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I want to thank those who wrote above, I have a friend who bought the crap of "The Secret " hook line and sinker, so I hope by saying what you have said, better than I would be able, to slowly bring her back to reality.
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Old 08-24-2008, 03:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
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The quantum physicists cited in The Secret and What the Bleep do We Know? have ALL come out after the fact saying they were taken out of context.
I was trying to find this information, could you provide a link?

Yes I believe it, but I have applied it with myself successfully. Random luck? At this point it really doesn’t matter to me. I do think it is unfortunate that most people won’t even engage in a self experiment to prove it wrong for themselves.

Does quantum physics have the answers for everything? Is the existence of an infinite number of parallel universes each with its own possible existence happening, easier to grasp than the law of attraction?

Has what existed before singularity been reasonably explained lately?

Perhaps performing an experiment using negative thinking would be easier to grasp.
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Old 09-20-2008, 05:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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If used correctly, I've seen positive thinking help people accomplish MARVELOUS things. Obvious example, someone I knew was intent on taking themselves OFF the planet. I spoke to her at length many times, and then introduced her to "The Secret". Her parents thanked me as has she for showing her what the power of positive thinking can do.

Negativity, and Positivity each have their place, tools of life, if you will.

I'm too lazy to look up the quote, so I am not sure who's it's from or if this even the exact words, but here goes:

"Whether you think you can, or think you can't, either way you are right."
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Old 09-23-2008, 08:03 AM   #18 (permalink)
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I don't believe in being positive about things that are just wrong. You can't make yourself believe that things are rosy, when you are covered in crap.

But..... Having hope for things to get better, and having a realistically positive attitude about changes that you can make, and that would improve things for your situation, is a must for survival. I'd jump off a damned bridge if I had a very negative outlook on life.

Be positive, but keep it real, man....
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Old 09-24-2008, 10:38 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I believe in the Law of Attraction....one attracts to their life whatever they give their energy and focus to....whether wanted or not.

I am to blame for the muzak in the elevator. I am to blame for "reality" TV & Dr. Phil. I am to blame for the policeman about to club me, you are to blame for own repression.

I am to blame for even noticing this pseudo-philosophy.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:52 AM   #20 (permalink)
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I believe you can influence your moods and thought processes with it, thereby making lemonade.

I am more of a believer in group think as far as destiny and fate.

I can be positive my marriage will work, but it takes my wife to also be positive to truly make it work.

I can try to better my community, my state, my country, my world and believe things will get better, but it takes the people in those places to also believe, in order for that betterment to become a reality.

Therein lies the problem because the reverse can also happen.

If enough people believe Revelations for example, then they will put forth the effort and set in motion Armageddon and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In other words, if people are fed enough "bad news" and they believe the worst, they will set in motion those events so that the worst will happen.

Yet, within that framework, enough people believing that change can happen, can change the results before the final bell.

We are individuals and free, BUT we touch, react and affect each other. Since my realty ends when another person enters the room, and a new shared realty starts. I can only hope our realities can coexist peacefully and in a productive manner. I can set into motion those positive opportunities but if the other reality is negative and does not accept those then problems can arise.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:17 AM   #21 (permalink)
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My boss is a huge believer in the Law of Attraction. She told me about how she really wanted to replace the rug in a new office she opened, so she asked the universe for help, then the office above her had a plumbing failure, so the building owner had to replace her rugs.

I don't see why the universe should inconvenience other people and make them spend money on her behalf.
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Old 09-26-2008, 10:43 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I believe if you put your intention out there, you may get "answers" or doors opening to lead you to this intention. Is that the law of attraction? I do believe positive thinking can work, but I also believe negative thinking is more powerful, and easier, unfortunately. But, with greater effort, such as positive thinking requires, comes greater reward and happiness. So you choose your path...
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Old 09-26-2008, 11:21 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I believe in positive thinking. I don't believe thinking positive can cure cancer or anything, obviously, but I do believe you can make your life better simply by thinking positive thoughts. Thinking positive can help a person overcome depression, for example.
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Old 09-27-2008, 12:25 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I believe if you put your intention out there, you may get "answers" or doors opening to lead you to this intention. Is that the law of attraction? I do believe positive thinking can work, but I also believe negative thinking is more powerful, and easier, unfortunately. But, with greater effort, such as positive thinking requires, comes greater reward and happiness. So you choose your path...
It just maybe, that if you put forth the intention and attention you see the positive things you were not seeing before because you were not looking for them in ways you should.

I agree the negative thinking is easier and it closes eyes and mind to the positive things that may already exist.

It's also easy I think to fall into the trap of believing you are thinking positively and still unable to see the opportunities because those around you are more negative.
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Old 10-01-2008, 06:48 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Offcourse I have always positive thinking...

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Old 10-01-2008, 05:43 PM   #26 (permalink)
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There are lots of people who theorize on this, and also claim that it has to do with string theory, and that you're collapsing the tenth dimensional futures into the one that you're believing. My friend tried to justify it to me by sending me a computer-animated video of a quantum particle hitting a division and ricocheting into two directions at once, unless you put a camera on it, then it goes only in one side... Right...

Anyway, I think it's all the placebo effect. You think positive and force your mind to ignore the bad things.
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Old 10-01-2008, 07:03 PM   #27 (permalink)
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"Positive thinking is for stupid people!"

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Probably no shocker, but I am a rugged "pessimist" (realist).

I don't believe in god or other magical superheroes, luck, I don't associate with money, and I drink powdered milk to save money.

You can count on me to see the down side of everything fluffy cloud bullshit sunbeam.

My brain was assembled from Henry "Rollins" Garfield and other "get-with-it" negative-in-comparison-to-others "zany-enough-to-be-pop-culture" icons like Chucky Palahniuk.

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Is there a correlation between being "pessimistic" and bei