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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2007
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Do you believe in positive thinking?
I believe in the Law of Attraction....one attracts to their life whatever they give their energy and focus to....whether wanted or not.
The Law of Attraction is much more then positive thinking....and it's based on quantum physics. It's a universal law. |
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All important elusive independent swing voter...
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia
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Yes.
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Tilted Cat Head
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Manhattan, NY
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No I do not believe in the power of positive thinking. I believe in the power of being positive. But postive thinking? No. If so then everyone who thinks positively about winning the lottery would have done so. If it was that simple then my positive thinking would have netted me a new job and higher salary. If so then more people with cancer, HIV/AIDS would survive.
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Florida
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I believe in the power of positive thinking as a psychological tool. In that positive thinking tends to give you a positive outlook on life, thereby altering your perceptions on the world around you.
I do believe in the power of karma, and how the energy behind thoughts and actions can affect real change in the world, but it's not at all the same thing.
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Darth Papa
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Location: Yonder
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The quantum physicists cited in The Secret and What the Bleep do We Know? have all come out after the fact saying they were taken out of context. Some have been quite upset to have their field manipulated in that way. Whatever message those films and the books and other products surround them are promoting, it doesn't have much to do with actual quantum mechanics.
To address the OP question: I don't believe in positive thinking the way most people usually talk about it. We can't convincingly talk ourselves into or out of anything. Not for long, at least. Positive thinking doesn't call into any question the "truth" of our view of a situation--instead it attempts to invoke and therefore summon forth whatever is needed to survive or overcome how it "is", and that "truth" is left intact as "THE truth". It's actually cemented in place as a thing that "is" that must be overcome or survived. So any effort (including positive thinking) to "improve" how it "is" just leaves you with more truth and mass around that which "is". Now, if we get responsible for the talking we're already doing (to ourselves and others) and the world and "truth" that our usual language calls into existence, THEN something actually new is possible. This post probably sounds like complete gobbledygook, but if you get what I'm saying here, it's life-altering. |
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Crazy
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: the center of the multiverse
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Wasn't there a whole chapter devoted to this sort of thing, toward the back of the book The Dilbert Principle, by Scott Adams?
![]() EDIT: Correction, the book was The Dilbert Future. Last edited by Cynosure; 08-11-2008 at 10:45 AM. |
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Upright
Join Date: Aug 2008
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Wasn't the whole mystique behind the positive thinking, that you are more accessible. And because of that, people threat you in another (read: better) way?
I believe in it, because with a positive thinking (but not dreaming), you don't have to face all (but some) of those madness and sadness we are trying to live with every day. |
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In the 6th percentile
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Toronto
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The power of causation will always trump the power of positive thinking. Always.
The Law of Causality easily disproves the "Law" of Attraction.
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"The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. [...] In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer." "Humankind cannot bear very much reality."—"Politics and the English Language," George Orwell —"Burnt Norton," Four Quartets, T. S. Eliot Last edited by Baraka_Guru; 08-18-2008 at 10:47 AM. |
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Extreme moderation
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kansas City, yo.
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It's better than the alternatives.
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"The question isn't who is going to let me, it's who is going to stop me." (Ayn Rand) "The truth is that our finest moments are most likely to occur when we are feeling deeply uncomfortable, unhappy, or unfulfilled. For it is only in such moments, propelled by our discomfort, that we are likely to step out of our ruts and start searching for different ways or truer answers." (M. Scott Peck) |
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V.I.P.
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Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Denver City Denver
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I can be proof that it's bullshit.
I don't look on the bright side of life. And I'm still here. Am I happy? Sure. Whatever. Fuck you. Why does that even matter? I live my life how I want to. You live yours how you want to. Be happy. I'll be the angry cunt in the corner making fun of your pink polo shirt.
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Stacks on deck. Patron on ice. We can pop bottles all night Baby you can have whatever you like I said you can have whatever you like. |
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Crazy
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Orlando, Florida
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Positive thinking, to me, does not itself induce any changes upon the world, but it can enable some people to establish the motivation necessary to change aspects of their own life, oftentimes for the better.
Example: Instead of sinking into a harmful depression with substance abuse after discovering that your girlfriend has dumped you for the pool boy, realize that you were just relieved of someone in your life who did not love you enough to stay, but loved you enough not to cheat during your relationship. She enabled you to move on, now get off your ass and do it! Positive Thinking --> Energy/Motivation to Change --> Change --> Life Improvement --> Happiness |
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Upright
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: The lush green pastures of middle earth
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I want to thank those who wrote above, I have a friend who bought the crap of "The Secret " hook line and sinker, so I hope by saying what you have said, better than I would be able, to slowly bring her back to reality.
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Conspiracy Realist
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: The Event Horizon
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Yes I believe it, but I have applied it with myself successfully. Random luck? At this point it really doesn’t matter to me. I do think it is unfortunate that most people won’t even engage in a self experiment to prove it wrong for themselves. Does quantum physics have the answers for everything? Is the existence of an infinite number of parallel universes each with its own possible existence happening, easier to grasp than the law of attraction? Has what existed before singularity been reasonably explained lately? Perhaps performing an experiment using negative thinking would be easier to grasp.
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None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free. -Johann Wolfgang Goethe Last edited by Sun Tzu; 08-24-2008 at 03:46 PM. |
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Psycho
Join Date: Apr 2003
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If used correctly, I've seen positive thinking help people accomplish MARVELOUS things. Obvious example, someone I knew was intent on taking themselves OFF the planet. I spoke to her at length many times, and then introduced her to "The Secret". Her parents thanked me as has she for showing her what the power of positive thinking can do.
Negativity, and Positivity each have their place, tools of life, if you will. I'm too lazy to look up the quote, so I am not sure who's it's from or if this even the exact words, but here goes: "Whether you think you can, or think you can't, either way you are right."
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Junkie
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Near Raleigh, NC
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I don't believe in being positive about things that are just wrong. You can't make yourself believe that things are rosy, when you are covered in crap.
But..... Having hope for things to get better, and having a realistically positive attitude about changes that you can make, and that would improve things for your situation, is a must for survival. I'd jump off a damned bridge if I had a very negative outlook on life. Be positive, but keep it real, man....
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Psycho
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Cottage Grove, Wisconsin
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I am to blame for the muzak in the elevator. I am to blame for "reality" TV & Dr. Phil. I am to blame for the policeman about to club me, you are to blame for own repression. I am to blame for even noticing this pseudo-philosophy. |
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Lennonite Priest
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canton, Ohio USA
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I believe you can influence your moods and thought processes with it, thereby making lemonade.
I am more of a believer in group think as far as destiny and fate. I can be positive my marriage will work, but it takes my wife to also be positive to truly make it work. I can try to better my community, my state, my country, my world and believe things will get better, but it takes the people in those places to also believe, in order for that betterment to become a reality. Therein lies the problem because the reverse can also happen. If enough people believe Revelations for example, then they will put forth the effort and set in motion Armageddon and it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. In other words, if people are fed enough "bad news" and they believe the worst, they will set in motion those events so that the worst will happen. Yet, within that framework, enough people believing that change can happen, can change the results before the final bell. We are individuals and free, BUT we touch, react and affect each other. Since my realty ends when another person enters the room, and a new shared realty starts. I can only hope our realities can coexist peacefully and in a productive manner. I can set into motion those positive opportunities but if the other reality is negative and does not accept those then problems can arise.
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Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. You're just left with yourself all the time, whatever you do anyway. You've got to get down to your own God in your own temple. It's all down to you, mate. I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong. JOHN LENNON (1940-1980) |
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obsessive librarian
Donor
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: New England
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My boss is a huge believer in the Law of Attraction. She told me about how she really wanted to replace the rug in a new office she opened, so she asked the universe for help, then the office above her had a plumbing failure, so the building owner had to replace her rugs.
I don't see why the universe should inconvenience other people and make them spend money on her behalf.
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Post-modernism meets Individualism AKA the Clash
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: oregon
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I believe if you put your intention out there, you may get "answers" or doors opening to lead you to this intention. Is that the law of attraction? I do believe positive thinking can work, but I also believe negative thinking is more powerful, and easier, unfortunately. But, with greater effort, such as positive thinking requires, comes greater reward and happiness. So you choose your path...
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Tilted
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Australia
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I believe in positive thinking. I don't believe thinking positive can cure cancer or anything, obviously, but I do believe you can make your life better simply by thinking positive thoughts. Thinking positive can help a person overcome depression, for example.
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Sun flames and moons glow, timeless the tides will flow, what will I face, what will be mine, fortune and fate the other side... |
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Lennonite Priest
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Canton, Ohio USA
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I agree the negative thinking is easier and it closes eyes and mind to the positive things that may already exist. It's also easy I think to fall into the trap of believing you are thinking positively and still unable to see the opportunities because those around you are more negative.
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Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted. You're just left with yourself all the time, whatever you do anyway. You've got to get down to your own God in your own temple. It's all down to you, mate. I believe in God, but not as one thing, not as an old man in the sky. I believe that what people call God is something in all of us. I believe that what Jesus and Mohammed and Buddha and all the rest said was right. It's just that the translations have gone wrong. JOHN LENNON (1940-1980) |
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Upright
Join Date: Oct 2008
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Offcourse I have always positive thinking...
Gr8 post...keep posting
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Addict
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: M[ass]achusetts
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There are lots of people who theorize on this, and also claim that it has to do with string theory, and that you're collapsing the tenth dimensional futures into the one that you're believing. My friend tried to justify it to me by sending me a computer-animated video of a quantum particle hitting a division and ricocheting into two directions at once, unless you put a camera on it, then it goes only in one side... Right...
Anyway, I think it's all the placebo effect. You think positive and force your mind to ignore the bad things.
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STRIKE FACE
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Prime Self
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"Positive thinking is for stupid people!" ... Probably no shocker, but I am a rugged "pessimist" (realist). I don't believe in god or other magical superheroes, luck, I don't associate with money, and I drink powdered milk to save money. You can count on me to see the down side of everything fluffy cloud bullshit sunbeam. My brain was assembled from Henry "Rollins" Garfield and other "get-with-it" negative-in-comparison-to-others "zany-enough-to-be-pop-culture" icons like Chucky Palahniuk. ... Is there a correlation between being "pessimistic" and bei |