Zeitgeist: Addendum - Tilted Forum Project Discussion Community

Sun Tzu · 10-06-2008, 05:56 PM

This is an addition to the main movie. If you have already watched the first, this is not the same movie with a couple of additions. It is a complete expansion on the third chapter: the monetary system. I am not a accountant or ecomonics expert. If there are any here, could you please give your input to whether there is any validity to what is being presented here.

Zeitgeist: Addendum

Jetée · 10-06-2008, 07:41 PM

I actually saw a link for this earlier in the morning, but I thought somebody must have already posted this here maybe weeks before.

Thanks.

Sun Tzu · 10-06-2008, 09:20 PM

I know the creator made small additions since the original came out, but this is completely new. If it would have been the same footage with different effects like what he did earlier I would have not bothered watching it or posting it. The points, however are the same. This one focuses more on what the third chapter's subject matter was. I know a large portion of the people that watched the first one think the 911 conspiracy is BS and have a huge problem with his views on Christianity. I'd really like to hear a perspective from any financial experts out there on this subject.

blktour · 10-08-2008, 09:31 AM

Well if you actually read the Modern Money Mechanics, you will see how they use credit and the "confidence" of the money that is printed to have people believe what we believe today.

I watched this video and was going to post it here but wanted to check the facts and talk about this in a live discussion with people that I know, but someone beat me to it.

I love the "hope" that the ending tries to give you. The venus project is a new innovative way of living, but with so many people and their mindsets of not wanting change for the greater good of ALL of us, is what is going to hold us back.

I am already trying to do my part, and make my home self sufficient, and maybe get a kit for my vehicle to not take gas. I also cancelled my cedit card with Bank Of America.

This video to me actually gives me hope. I still do ask myself questions of how would we get there.

It is only up to us.

I got into it with an older fellow yesterday, because I was trying to prove a point, about the income tax, and how it is technically no legal to charge us, and takes alot of effort to not pay it, but he didnt believe me, and talked about Brett Farve.

To prove a point, I asked him who Brett Farve was. He looked at me like I was some kind of Alien. I do in reality know who he is, but I could care less what team he plays for, what number he wears, and what he does.

so I asked him if he knew about the Income tax, and how the dollar works with the federal reserve. He didn't know. I stated to him, " The reason you probably don't know this is because you are too stuck on Brett Farve and all that jargon."

he got mad and wanted to kick my ass.

was there a better way to come across? maybe, but I had to prove his point because he fell into getting angry, and talking crap about me, and assuming a bunch of stuff about me, that I had to pick at him a little bit.

To even think about the way of life that this video brings forth, is hard to fathom for some people.

Me on the other hand. I embrace it. It seems a whole lot better than this life we live now.

Jinn · 10-08-2008, 10:09 AM

As valid or invalid as this video may be, I cannot watch something made by the same raving lunatic that made the first one. He would have to be practically foaming-at-the-mouth crazy to outright lie with as much regularity as he did in the first. An arguable stretch of the imagination is to believe he doesn't feel that he's lying, but then I'd have to conclude that he's an undereducated simpleton who jumps large logical gaps to arrive at this points. I imagine that this video is the same "the sky is falling" mentality, with a little bit of 'secret society', 'us vs them' and new-world economics thrown in.

blktour · 10-08-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinn

As valid or invalid as this video may be, I cannot watch something made by the same raving lunatic that made the first one. He would have to be practically foaming-at-the-mouth crazy to outright lie with as much regularity as he did in the first. An arguable stretch of the imagination is to believe he doesn't feel that he's lying, but then I'd have to conclude that he's an undereducated simpleton who jumps large logical gaps to arrive at this points. I imagine that this video is the same "the sky is falling" mentality, with a little bit of 'secret society', 'us vs them' and new-world economics thrown in.

what this video promotes is forward thinking to me, and if you didnt like the first one, you wont like the 2nd one either, with that state of mind. if you ever looked up on your own, what was talked about in the first AND in the second video, you will see that alot of what is said is true.

He may paint it a certain way, but you have to take it all in, and be open about it. your attitude about the video before watching it, and assuming things of it, reminds me of this world and why it will be a harder challenge to get away from all the corruption in this world. people dont like change, and have the "fear of the unknown." I will embrace this change. because this is ACTUAL change.

I do agree with what was in the video and not all of it, but it made alot of sense to me, and you can look up the things he talks about and it is out there.

An open mind is what is needed to watch this.

it is funny how you call this man a "raving lunatic". is it because he goes against your way of thinking?

Sun Tzu · 10-08-2008, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Jinn

As valid or invalid as this video may be, I cannot watch something made by the same raving lunatic that made the first one. He would have to be practically foaming-at-the-mouth crazy to outright lie with as much regularity as he did in the first. An arguable stretch of the imagination is to believe he doesn't feel that he's lying, but then I'd have to conclude that he's an undereducated simpleton who jumps large logical gaps to arrive at this points. I imagine that this video is the same "the sky is falling" mentality, with a little bit of 'secret society', 'us vs them' and new-world economics thrown in.

That aside; you obviously did watch the first one, right? The third chapter of the first one dealt with the monetary system. So the explanation of a fractional banking system, reserve notes not backed by anything, and dollars with automatic debt attached from the moment its printed is BS? If the explanation was true it would mean the American population is in a never ending state of perpetual debt with the current monetary system and by design would never be able to satisfy the debt because the very notes (now in the form of simple electronic credits) used to pay the debt also have debt. The FDIC is not insuring in gold, but reserve notes correct? The way this guy explains it he does sound like a lunatic because it would truely mean there is secret societies and us vs them. As far as new world; his history must also be shakey because he states the Central Bank belonging the the King of England was one of the primary reason the colonists revolted, making it not so new. "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning. "--Henry Ford

Im not saying you are wrong but to express him to be a mouth foaming raving lunatic liar with such clarity promotes it to be you are the person with the answers. In regards to his explanation about our banking system- its all bullshit?

tisonlyi · 10-30-2008, 10:05 AM

Fiat currency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Fractional-reserve banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

roachboy · 10-30-2008, 10:08 AM

you do realize where henry ford was at politically, don't you?
do a bit of research if you don't.
it helps position this film.

thingstodo · 11-20-2008, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinn

As valid or invalid as this video may be, I cannot watch something made by the same raving lunatic that made the first one. He would have to be practically foaming-at-the-mouth crazy to outright lie with as much regularity as he did in the first. An arguable stretch of the imagination is to believe he doesn't feel that he's lying, but then I'd have to conclude that he's an undereducated simpleton who jumps large logical gaps to arrive at this points. I imagine that this video is the same "the sky is falling" mentality, with a little bit of 'secret society', 'us vs them' and new-world economics thrown in.

How do you feel he is lying? The first was pretty factual from all I have learned over the years. We're fortunate to have someone open our thinking a little.

Xerxys · 11-29-2008, 11:06 PM

Yeah I know, but as I watched the end of this movie and all the suggestions to quit this, boycott that left and right, I couldn't stop thinking, ..........

.....................Imagine how much money that would cost.

thingstodo · 12-06-2008, 06:52 AM

I'm only suggesting the historical point is valid, not ao much the future suggestions which may be unrealistic.

10-06-2008, 07:41 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jetée Feather Location: Rarely, if ever, here or there, but always in transition	I actually saw a link for this earlier in the morning, but I thought somebody must have already posted this here maybe weeks before. Thanks. __________________ * We don't receive wisdom; we must discover it for ourselves after a journey that no one can take for us or spare us. —Marcel Proust

10-06-2008, 09:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
Sun Tzu Conspiracy Realist Location: The Event Horizon	I know the creator made small additions since the original came out, but this is completely new. If it would have been the same footage with different effects like what he did earlier I would have not bothered watching it or posting it. The points, however are the same. This one focuses more on what the third chapter's subject matter was. I know a large portion of the people that watched the first one think the 911 conspiracy is BS and have a huge problem with his views on Christianity. I'd really like to hear a perspective from any financial experts out there on this subject. __________________ *Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans. -John Lennon*

10-08-2008, 10:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
Jinn Lover - Protector - Teacher	As valid or invalid as this video may be, I cannot watch something made by the same raving lunatic that made the first one. He would have to be practically foaming-at-the-mouth crazy to outright lie with as much regularity as he did in the first. An arguable stretch of the imagination is to believe he doesn't feel that he's lying, but then I'd have to conclude that he's an undereducated simpleton who jumps large logical gaps to arrive at this points. I imagine that this video is the same "the sky is falling" mentality, with a little bit of 'secret society', 'us vs them' and new-world economics thrown in. __________________ If you struggle with something your entire life, try harder. Awareness without action is worthless, and failure is not an accident.

10-30-2008, 10:05 AM	#8 (permalink)
tisonlyi I've got my eye on you. Yes You. Location: A bit of itchy mixed with a scant batch of scratchy.	Fiat currency - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Fractional-reserve banking - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place." - Winston Churchill, 1937 --{ORLY?}--

10-30-2008, 10:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
roachboy Moderator Location: essex ma Blog Entries: 382	you do realize where henry ford was at politically, don't you? do a bit of research if you don't. it helps position this film. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

10-08-2008, 09:31 AM	#4 (permalink)
blktour Psycho Location: Anchorage, AK	Well if you actually read the Modern Money Mechanics, you will see how they use credit and the "confidence" of the money that is printed to have people believe what we believe today. I watched this video and was going to post it here but wanted to check the facts and talk about this in a live discussion with people that I know, but someone beat me to it. I love the "hope" that the ending tries to give you. The venus project is a new innovative way of living, but with so many people and their mindsets of not wanting change for the greater good of ALL of us, is what is going to hold us back. I am already trying to do my part, and make my home self sufficient, and maybe get a kit for my vehicle to not take gas. I also cancelled my cedit card with Bank Of America. This video to me actually gives me hope. I still do ask myself questions of how would we get there. It is only up to us. I got into it with an older fellow yesterday, because I was trying to prove a point, about the income tax, and how it is technically no legal to charge us, and takes alot of effort to not pay it, but he didnt believe me, and talked about Brett Farve. To prove a point, I asked him who Brett Farve was. He looked at me like I was some kind of Alien. I do in reality know who he is, but I could care less what team he plays for, what number he wears, and what he does. so I asked him if he knew about the Income tax, and how the dollar works with the federal reserve. He didn't know. I stated to him, " The reason you probably don't know this is because you are too stuck on Brett Farve and all that jargon." he got mad and wanted to kick my ass. was there a better way to come across? maybe, but I had to prove his point because he fell into getting angry, and talking crap about me, and assuming a bunch of stuff about me, that I had to pick at him a little bit. To even think about the way of life that this video brings forth, is hard to fathom for some people. Me on the other hand. I embrace it. It seems a whole lot better than this life we live now.

11-29-2008, 11:06 PM	#11 (permalink)
Xerxys feeling lascivious ... Location: Cary, NC. Blog Entries: 37	Yeah I know, but as I watched the end of this movie and all the suggestions to quit this, boycott that left and right, I couldn't stop thinking, .......... .....................Imagine how much money that would cost. __________________ Proper planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance.

12-06-2008, 06:52 AM	#12 (permalink)
thingstodo A Storm Is Coming Location: The Great White North	I'm only suggesting the historical point is valid, not ao much the future suggestions which may be unrealistic. __________________ If you're wringing your hands you can't roll up your shirt sleeves. Stangers have the best candy.