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jewels · 12-02-2007, 11:15 AM

I saw a piece of Bourne Ultimatum last night where Jason's fingerprints were planted to implicate him.

This had me thinking about one of my daughters, who saves her first hair & fingernail cuttings in a place she calls her "DNA Box". Maybe I've read and viewed too many mysteries and CSI episodes.

I'd be intrigued to hear thoughts on this:

Isn't there going to come a day in the near future when criminals and/or politicians purchase DNA to leave at crime scenes, or to free guilty parties from prison? How can this be circumvented, prevented, rectified? Or can it?

Willravel · 12-02-2007, 11:41 AM

One can already do this, actually. Finger prints, saliva, hair, etc. can all be planted at the scene. It's how people are currently framed. It can be prevented by uncircumstantial evidence.

Hain · 12-02-2007, 11:50 AM

She saves her hair and fingernail cuttings...?

I hope I am never in a position where someone will root through my trash for fingernail clippings, or spray some glue on my glass at a bar to take a fingerprint, or pluck some hair while I am on a bus.

Technology always has two sides to it. Technology itself is not bad, only the people that use it.

Baraka_Guru · 12-02-2007, 11:51 AM

Are we talking about synthetic DNA here, or a DNA black market?

jewels · 12-02-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

It can be prevented by uncircumstantial evidence.

DNA is supposed to be the end all of uncircumstantial evidence. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by augi

She saves her hair and fingernail cuttings...?

Moms save that first baby lock of hair, ya know? Well, she was upset that I didn't want to keep her hair from subsequent cuts and decided to keep it for herself.

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Originally Posted by baraka_guru

Are we talking about synthetic DNA here, or a DNA black market?

Good question.

Baraka_Guru · 12-02-2007, 12:06 PM

Imagine, if you will, a world with the possibility of synthetic DNA and having yours kept not only "on file" but "in storage."

Hain · 12-02-2007, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jewels443

Moms save that first baby lock of hair, ya know? Well, she was upset that I didn't want to keep her hair from subsequent cuts and decided to keep it for herself.

Oh... kay...! Jeeze, I was thinking... "What...?" Like that. Makes more sense.

And synthetic DNA is far off from humans... I hope. http://www.dna20.com/

EDIT: You mean to tell me The Man doesn't keep samples of my blood somewhere to keep up to date on me... take that as serious or sarcastic, so far I haven't become famous/paranoid enough to worry even if someone does.

Ustwo · 12-02-2007, 12:15 PM

Want to get away with a murder?

Get a vial of someone elses raw blood, leave some at crime scene.

Baraka_Guru · 12-02-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Augi

You mean to tell me The Man doesn't keep samples of my blood somewhere to keep up to date on me... take that as serious or sarcastic, so far I haven't become famous/paranoid enough to worry even if someone does.

Don't tell anyone, but I hear dentists are required by some unnamed international government organization to "unknowingly extract" DNA samples from every one of their patients to place on file and in storage, as I had mentioned.

Hain · 12-02-2007, 12:27 PM

@ Baraka_Guru:
I always knew Ustwo was an agent of the system, but that just might be the tip of the iceberg. I think you and I need to go back to Paranoia now...

12-02-2007, 11:15 AM	#1 (permalink)
jewels Eponymous Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Space Coast	Science, technology and repercussions I saw a piece of Bourne Ultimatum last night where Jason's fingerprints were planted to implicate him. This had me thinking about one of my daughters, who saves her first hair & fingernail cuttings in a place she calls her "DNA Box". Maybe I've read and viewed too many mysteries and CSI episodes. I'd be intrigued to hear thoughts on this: Isn't there going to come a day in the near future when criminals and/or politicians purchase DNA to leave at crime scenes, or to free guilty parties from prison? How can this be circumvented, prevented, rectified? Or can it?

12-02-2007, 11:41 AM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	One can already do this, actually. Finger prints, saliva, hair, etc. can all be planted at the scene. It's how people are currently framed. It can be prevented by uncircumstantial evidence. __________________ ɯǝɥʇ ǝʌlos uɐɔ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ ǝɔuɐɹouƃı ɥƃnoɹɥʇ ʇou sı ʇı 'sɯǝlqoɹd ǝʇɐǝɹɔ uɐɔ ǝƃpǝlʍouʞ ɟı

12-02-2007, 11:51 AM	#4 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru In the 6th percentile Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto	Are we talking about synthetic DNA here, or a DNA black market? __________________ "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. [...] In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer." —"Politics and the English Language," George Orwell "Humankind cannot bear very much reality." —"Burnt Norton," Four Quartets, T. S. Eliot

12-02-2007, 12:06 PM	#6 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru In the 6th percentile Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto	Imagine, if you will, a world with the possibility of synthetic DNA and having yours kept not only "on file" but "in storage." __________________ "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. [...] In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer." —"Politics and the English Language," George Orwell "Humankind cannot bear very much reality." —"Burnt Norton," Four Quartets, T. S. Eliot

12-02-2007, 12:15 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes Join Date: Apr 2003	Want to get away with a murder? Get a vial of someone elses raw blood, leave some at crime scene. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

12-02-2007, 11:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Hain Pretty far out, man! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: across the Atlantic pond	She saves her hair and fingernail cuttings...? I hope I am never in a position where someone will root through my trash for fingernail clippings, or spray some glue on my glass at a bar to take a fingerprint, or pluck some hair while I am on a bus. Technology always has two sides to it. Technology itself is not bad, only the people that use it.

12-02-2007, 12:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Hain Pretty far out, man! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: across the Atlantic pond	@ Baraka_Guru: I always knew Ustwo was an agent of the system, but that just might be the tip of the iceberg. I think you and I need to go back to Paranoia now... Last edited by Hain; 12-02-2007 at 12:54 PM.