Oh noes..the future in 2012 - Tilted Forum Project - TFP - Sexuality, Philosophy and Political Discussion

butch2290 · 06-21-2008, 02:23 AM

Alright so ive heard alot about the "supposed" shit thats suppost to go down in 2012..
But if this was really to happen wouldnt we start seeing the beginnings of it? Is the evidence already among us?
The mayans where great at astrology and knew a great deal. Even if the world doesnt end then there will be a rare occurence when the earth is facing the center of the milky way wich only happens once every 26,000 years.
Continuing on lets say this where to happen? How would you folks spend your last minutes? Personally id probably try to have a party with my family to say Adios.
Lets say this 2012 doomsday prophecy happens..How do you guys believe/suppose it will happen. Personally i believe that if something is gonna take out all of mankind and start the beginning of the new age it would be a gamma ray burst. Nothing seems to be in the immediate danger to us as of right now and i dont think anything but something as sudden as that could wipe us out.
How id like it to go down, If i got to chose a way for it to happen id probably chose a rogue black hole to come in and suck it inside of it. Yes scientests have discovered black holes that are MOVING throught the universe.
-----------------------Global Warming-------------------------------------
Even if nothing does happen in 2012 what do you guys suppose will eventually destroy mankind?

ironman · 06-21-2008, 07:38 AM

A lot of stuff will happen in 2012, and roughly 56,597,034 people will die that year, as does every year, so for them the world will end then, no reason to speculate if a prophecy will or won't come true (for sure it won't, maybe Mayans just got lazy and stopped counting on december 2012, or got out of writing stone, or they left it for other day, you know, so may possibilitites...). In the end what matters is living each day as if t was your last, enjoying each and everything as the end of the world in the year X matters less than the probability that you can die every day.

Cynthetiq · 06-21-2008, 07:49 AM

Y2k signaled the death of all technology... many prepared for the mayhem.

yet everyone and everything survived with little problems.

Planes did not fall out of the sky.
Streetlights didn't stop functioning.
ATM machines didn't stop giving out money.
Banks didn't lose billions of dollars.

DaveOrion · 06-21-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by butch2290

Alright so ive heard alot about the "supposed" shit thats suppost to go down in 2012..
But if this was really to happen wouldnt we start seeing the beginnings of it? Is the evidence already among us?
The mayans where great at astrology and knew a great deal. Even if the world doesnt end then there will be a rare occurence when the earth is facing the center of the milky way wich only happens once every 26,000 years.
Continuing on lets say this where to happen? How would you folks spend your last minutes? Personally id probably try to have a party with my family to say Adios.
Lets say this 2012 doomsday prophecy happens..How do you guys believe/suppose it will happen. Personally i believe that if something is gonna take out all of mankind and start the beginning of the new age it would be a gamma ray burst. Nothing seems to be in the immediate danger to us as of right now and i dont think anything but something as sudden as that could wipe us out.
How id like it to go down, If i got to chose a way for it to happen id probably chose a rogue black hole to come in and suck it inside of it. Yes scientests have discovered black holes that are MOVING throught the universe.
-----------------------Global Warming-------------------------------------
Even if nothing does happen in 2012 what do you guys suppose will eventually destroy mankind?

We (I) tried that already, didnt work out so well on this forum. Galactic Alignment 2012

girldetective · 06-21-2008, 10:08 AM

I dont know anything about this.
I do not want to know anything about this.
If there is ever anything doomsdayish that I could help with I want to know that, otherwise its not in my range.

Tully Mars · 06-21-2008, 10:43 AM

The worlds going to end at midnight on December 31st, 1999. No wait the worlds going to end on December 21st, 2112.

You know when the worlds going to end? When it ends. Until then keep on keeping on. And when it does end you won't have to worry about your mortgage, rent or gas prices anymore. "Always look on the bright side of life." (Whistle while you read that)

But I'll bet on December 22nd, 2112 someone's going to come up with a new end world date.

BTW- Most credible recent scholars think the Maya "long count" simply rolls over and starts anew on 12-21-2112. Much like an odometer in a car.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar

Master_Shake · 06-21-2008, 11:55 AM

I will spend it like every other night, drinking and masturbating.

MSD · 06-21-2008, 11:55 AM

Only a few days after the 2012 presidential election, the Antichrist Obama will have won and reveal his true nature, placing his mark on the right hand and forehead of all who supported him. This will begin the battle of armageddon and fulfill the prophecies of Christ and the Mayans.

butch2290 · 06-21-2008, 12:13 PM

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Only a few days after the 2012 presidential election, the Antichrist Obama will have won and reveal his true nature, placing his mark on the right hand and forehead of all who supported him. This will begin the battle of armageddon and fulfill the prophecies of Christ and the Mayans.

well first of all if obama is gonna win wouldnt the world end in 2008 when hes most likely gonna get elected? and also are you trying to keep a brotha down just because hes black lol

QuasiMondo · 06-21-2008, 04:00 PM

12/21/12 - The Great Disappointment where people will wake up and realize they have three shopping days left.

Hain · 06-21-2008, 04:19 PM

@ Tully Mars: It's 21 Dec 2012.

I actually found this really neat lecture on the Mayan Long Count and what the end of that calendar meant. As it was stated, the Mayans believed in this over-consciousness of everything, and that is what they were keeping track of. As it happens, this consciousness is evolving, much as our universe had, more and more complex things are forming in it (first hydrogen turned to helium making stars, and then stars to planets, then our planet with life, with life to civilizations, from civilizations to coffee, from coffee to double shot cappuccinos, etc).

It claims that the Mayan Calendar was remarkably coincidental to point out the calendar started 14 billion years ago (around the same time as the universe) and consciousness was accelerated on every fifth "day" while terrible stuff happened on every fifth "night" of an era.

It was a neat presentation. Seeing the history of things and where they fell on the calendar was kinda breath taking. It had a new-age hippo undertone that it will not be the end of the world, but the end of our individual consciousness and we will become part of all things (think the omega point).

Just remind yourself that if it is the end of the world: apologize to the people you hate, tell the ones you love that you do, and then sit back and watch the fun.

For the record, I hope it ends, so no stock piling anything for me.

Baraka_Guru · 06-21-2008, 06:22 PM

Personally, I think this date will mark a turning point for the better. This is cyclical. We are entering the low point in our spiritual evolution, and 2012 will mark a shift towards a better humanity.

This date doesn't necessarily mean apocalypse; it could mean our spiritual transformation--a new world order, which in itself would be a great shift.

MSD · 06-21-2008, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by butch2290

well first of all if obama is gonna win wouldnt the world end in 2008 when hes most likely gonna get elected? and also are you trying to keep a brotha down just because hes black lol

I dunno, I read it on a survivalist message board when people at another forum were trying to find the craziest/most racist gun nuts we could, and it was too hilarious to keep to myself.

edit: I have to watch what I say to new people, they might think I'm serious.

Pacifier · 06-22-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by butch2290

A Even if the world doesnt end then there will be a rare occurence when the earth is facing the center of the milky way wich only happens once every 26,000 years.

Which side of the sphere is "facing" the center of the milky way?

Tully Mars · 06-22-2008, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Hain

@ Tully Mars: It's 21 Dec 2012.

I actually found this really neat lecture on the Mayan Long Count and what the end of that calendar meant. As it was stated, the Mayans believed in this over-consciousness of everything, and that is what they were keeping track of. As it happens, this consciousness is evolving, much as our universe had, more and more complex things are forming in it (first hydrogen turned to helium making stars, and then stars to planets, then our planet with life, with life to civilizations, from civilizations to coffee, from coffee to double shot cappuccinos, etc).

It claims that the Mayan Calendar was remarkably coincidental to point out the calendar started 14 billion years ago (around the same time as the universe) and consciousness was accelerated on every fifth "day" while terrible stuff happened on every fifth "night" of an era.

It was a neat presentation. Seeing the history of things and where they fell on the calendar was kinda breath taking. It had a new-age hippo undertone that it will not be the end of the world, but the end of our individual consciousness and we will become part of all things (think the omega point).

Just remind yourself that if it is the end of the world: apologize to the people you hate, tell the ones you love that you do, and then sit back and watch the fun.

For the record, I hope it ends, so no stock piling anything for me.

14 Billion? Almost everything I've read has the long count starting on August 11, 3114 BCE (Before the Common, Christian, or Current Era.)

I'm hoping it doesn't end, I'm having too much fun.

DaveOrion · 06-22-2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Pacifier

Which side of the sphere is "facing" the center of the milky way?

This may help, or not.

StellaLuna · 06-22-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Hain

It was a neat presentation. Seeing the history of things and where they fell on the calendar was kinda breath taking. It had a new-age hippo undertone that it will not be the end of the world, but the end of our individual consciousness and we will become part of all things (think the omega point).

"Hippie"? Maybe? Although I love the idea of a new-age hippo. (And I love the Mayans and this calendar. The idea is also that things awaken/fall asleep, like magic or science. I guess we'll see. Bring on 2012.

AKR · 06-23-2008, 11:00 PM

Curious.

I want to keep my individual consciousness. I don't like the idea of a hive-mind.

Anyone familiar with the Singularity, with respect to the development of a civilization? Technological development in a civilization is exponential, not linear, as each technology we develop helps develop the next much quicker. The singularity is the point at which the curve becomes almost vertical, and a civilization reaches total enlightenment almost instantly at that point. Most futurists attribute this change to the fusion between man and machine. A humans creativity and a machines processing ability together would be mindblowing.

One interesting thought was that as wireless technology began to develop, we would begin transmitting not just information ,but actual intelligence. Eventually, the airspace around us would become saturated with intelligence itself, and eventually, the universe itself would "wake up". Few futurists have even tried to comprehend the consequences of such a thing.

Its all in a book, "The Singularity is Near". I do not remember the author exactly, Ray K-something.

This whole 2012 thing reminds me of that.

As for Y2K, how did that Broken Saints quote go...

"How many software engineers got fat from Y2K? How many of us were siphoned off by the banks and the military, NDA's in hand, to tweak digits 'till the eleventh hour? We save their asses, and the news called it a 'non-event'. I slept until March after that 'non-event'."

If Obama was the anti-christ, I'd be laughing my ass off all the way through the 7 years tribulation. They'd have to put me on IV, and put me in the dedicated wing of hte hospital, that they isolated for victims of the Laughing Syndrome which has suddenly affected millions of the highly educated.

My bets are on Pope Benedict. Have you seen the guy? He looks almost exactly like Emperor Palpatine. Every time he speaks in public, I expect his voice to suddenly get really creepy, and for him to say "Execute Order 66." Thats when the previously-underground Civil Faith forces break down my door, along with the doors of millions of other professed atheists, Jews, and Muslims, and put one shot through my head.

They'd forget about everyone in the East.

DaveOrion · 06-24-2008, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AKR

If Obama was the anti-christ, I'd be laughing my ass off all the way through the 7 years tribulation. They'd have to put me on IV, and put me in the dedicated wing of hte hospital, that they isolated for victims of the Laughing Syndrome which has suddenly affected millions of the highly educated.

My bets are on Pope Benedict. Have you seen the guy? He looks almost exactly like Emperor Palpatine. Every time he speaks in public, I expect his voice to suddenly get really creepy, and for him to say "Execute Order 66." Thats when the previously-underground Civil Faith forces break down my door, along with the doors of millions of other professed atheists, Jews, and Muslims, and put one shot through my head.

They'd forget about everyone in the East.

According to the Prophecy of the Popes apparently written by Saint Malachy, the final Pope will be Peter the Roman, who directly follows Pope Benedict.

Quote:

Petrus Romanus
Ominously, the longest and final motto reads:

In the original Latin:
"In persecutione extrema S.R.E. sedebit Petrus Romanus,
qui pascet oves in multis tribulationibus:
quibus transactis civitas septicollis diruetur,
et Iudex tremêndus iudicabit populum suum.
Finis."

This translates into English as:
"During the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church, the seat will be occupied by Peter the Roman,
who will feed his sheep in many tribulations;
and when these things are finished, the seven-hilled city will be destroyed,
and the formidable Judge will judge his people.
The End."

This final statement is not found in the 1820 publication of the Prophecy of the Popes by Thomas A. Nelson; it is found in the 1969 re-edited version.

Several anti-popes claiming to be Pope Peter II have emerged in recent years, probably inspired by this motto.

Not all Catholic theologians believe that Petrus Romanus will be the last pope ever, or that he will be called Peter II. Catholic apologist Ronald L. Conte Jr., who in 2002 correctly predicted that the pope immediately after John Paul II would be called Benedict XVI but incorrectly predicted that he would be black,[78] believes that Cardinal Francis Arinze will take the name of Pius XIII after the death of Pope Benedict XVI, and that the description "Peter the Roman” means that the "Pope will reaffirm the authority of the Roman Pontiff over the Church; this authority is based on his place as a Successor of Peter" and "will emphasize the supremacy of the Roman Catholic Faith and the Roman Catholic Church above all other religions and denominations, and its authority over all Christians and all peoples of the world," and also will be “the last Pope for about a generation (until the 2040's) to rule from Rome."[79] In Conte’s opinion, St. Malachy’s list ends with Petrus Romanus because his reign will coincide with the beginning of the first part of the Tribulation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

Alta · 06-24-2008, 10:20 AM

And not just the Year 2000 fiasco. I am pretty sure that the end of world has been predicted before complete with groups fasting and praying. What about the Jupiter Effect, all those planets lined up? It did occur, as it had to do, but nothing happened on earth.

I recognize that much of what has been posted has been for humorous effect, but if anyone takes this seriously....

Also wanting to point out that demanding a proof that something won't happen is logical fallacy. A person can make any number of predictions and then demand that opponents prove they won't happen.

I predict that in 2012 a comet will knock the moon out of orbit, it will crash into the earth and destroy all life. Prove it won't happen. And etcetera.

Alta

DaveOrion · 06-24-2008, 11:12 AM

It should also be noted that the Bible Code enthusiasts made numerous predications in 2002-2003 about the Anti-Christ who they considered to be Cardinal Lustiger. They made these predications based on several different codes and a little numerology mixed in. He was on the list of potential candidates for Pope, but as we all know now he never became Pope. He died in 2007 at a clinic outside Paris after battling bone & lung cancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Lustiger

All references to these prophecies have since been removed from this site. http://exodus2006.com/Whappen.htm

Manuel Hong · 06-24-2008, 07:50 PM

I just saw a Toltec elder speak about this. I've been pretty much following the 2102 thing for years now. The Mayans never really claimed it would be the end of the world, it's marking a new era. A shift.
The Elder Tlakaelel (sp?) said that the earth changes are happening NOW, if you look around you'll see this is so.
The shift will bring about a new awareness, a consciousness, an awakening that will bring us closer together. More of a community, more compassion...if you look around you may also see that this is so. Of course, it is not so for many people. A lot of people have chosen a different reality.
(To briefly touch upon quantum mechanics, I will just mention here that we do indeed create our reality through our beliefs. nuf said there. lots written about this EVERYWHERE!!)
I have also heard some mention the possibility of reality being split- some continue to exist in fear (by their choice) while others exist in love (choice) and never the twain shall meet again (not choo-choo twain!). someone else suggested that perhaps there will be 3 realities, the third being a sort of pergatory...who knows...
In any case, the hype about doomsday is really just that, hype. I hold out hope that it will herald a new age of conscious awareness for the Earth and each other, finding balance and harmony to exist in peace and in alignment with the natural world.
Ah Ho!!
Heiyeya.
May it be so.

MSD · 06-24-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DaveOrion

According to the Prophecy of the Popes apparently written by Saint Malachy, the final Pope will be Peter the Roman, who directly follows Pope Benedict.

That list is more tainted by confirmation bias than Nostradamus' prophecies. "Peter the Roman" will follow "The Olive Branch." To get Benedict from olive branch, you have to deduce that the olive branch is a symbol of the Order of the Benedictines, then make a leap of faith to say that he didn't actually mean that, he meant that the Pope would choose the name Benedict. That's pretty vague.

DaveOrion · 06-25-2008, 05:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MSD

That list is more tainted by confirmation bias than Nostradamus' prophecies. "Peter the Roman" will follow "The Olive Branch." To get Benedict from olive branch, you have to deduce that the olive branch is a symbol of the Order of the Benedictines, then make a leap of faith to say that he didn't actually mean that, he meant that the Pope would choose the name Benedict. That's pretty vague.

The majority of prophecy ever written is completely vague & numerous interpretations result. Its not the prophecies themselves that interested me, its the fact that the list will soon be ending.

06-21-2008, 02:23 AM	#1 (permalink)
butch2290 Registered User Join Date: May 2008	Oh noes..the future in 2012 Alright so ive heard alot about the "supposed" shit thats suppost to go down in 2012.. But if this was really to happen wouldnt we start seeing the beginnings of it? Is the evidence already among us? The mayans where great at astrology and knew a great deal. Even if the world doesnt end then there will be a rare occurence when the earth is facing the center of the milky way wich only happens once every 26,000 years. Continuing on lets say this where to happen? How would you folks spend your last minutes? Personally id probably try to have a party with my family to say Adios. Lets say this 2012 doomsday prophecy happens..How do you guys believe/suppose it will happen. Personally i believe that if something is gonna take out all of mankind and start the beginning of the new age it would be a gamma ray burst. Nothing seems to be in the immediate danger to us as of right now and i dont think anything but something as sudden as that could wipe us out. How id like it to go down, If i got to chose a way for it to happen id probably chose a rogue black hole to come in and suck it inside of it. Yes scientests have discovered black holes that are MOVING throught the universe. -----------------------Global Warming------------------------------------- Even if nothing does happen in 2012 what do you guys suppose will eventually destroy mankind?

06-21-2008, 07:38 AM	#2 (permalink)
ironman Smithers, release the hounds Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Guatemala, Guatemala	A lot of stuff will happen in 2012, and roughly 56,597,034 people will die that year, as does every year, so for them the world will end then, no reason to speculate if a prophecy will or won't come true (for sure it won't, maybe Mayans just got lazy and stopped counting on december 2012, or got out of writing stone, or they left it for other day, you know, so may possibilitites...). In the end what matters is living each day as if t was your last, enjoying each and everything as the end of the world in the year X matters less than the probability that you can die every day. __________________ If I agreed with you we´d both be wrong

06-21-2008, 07:49 AM	#3 (permalink)
Cynthetiq Tilted Cat Head Administrator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Manhattan, NY	Y2k signaled the death of all technology... many prepared for the mayhem. yet everyone and everything survived with little problems. Planes did not fall out of the sky. Streetlights didn't stop functioning. ATM machines didn't stop giving out money. Banks didn't lose billions of dollars. __________________ I don't care if you are black, white, purple, green, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, hippie, cop, bum, admin, user, English, Irish, French, Catholic, Protestant, Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Indian, cowboy, tall, short, fat, skinny, emo, punk, mod, rocker, straight, gay, lesbian, jock, nerd, geek, Democrat, Republican, Independent, either you're an asshole or you're not. What's the best nation in the world? DO-NATION!

06-21-2008, 10:08 AM	#5 (permalink)
girldetective trusted sidekick Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW	I dont know anything about this. I do not want to know anything about this. If there is ever anything doomsdayish that I could help with I want to know that, otherwise its not in my range. __________________ . . . Running out the door again--blowing you a nice long kiss - DA I'll wager that a year from now you will look back at this with a tug, and a wince... Leto

06-21-2008, 10:43 AM	#6 (permalink)
Tully Mars Moderator Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Yucatan	The worlds going to end at midnight on December 31st, 1999. No wait the worlds going to end on December 21st, 2112. You know when the worlds going to end? When it ends. Until then keep on keeping on. And when it does end you won't have to worry about your mortgage, rent or gas prices anymore. "Always look on the bright side of life." (Whistle while you read that) But I'll bet on December 22nd, 2112 someone's going to come up with a new end world date. BTW- Most credible recent scholars think the Maya "long count" simply rolls over and starts anew on 12-21-2112. Much like an odometer in a car. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar __________________ Vice President Starkizzer Fan Club People are always bitching about getting what they deserve... I think if they did they'd be greatly disappointed. Me

06-21-2008, 11:55 AM	#7 (permalink)
Master_Shake Addict Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Pennsylvania, USA	I will spend it like every other night, drinking and masturbating. __________________ ------------- You know something, I don't think the sun even... exists... in this place. 'Cause I've been up for hours, and hours, and hours, and the night never ends here.

06-21-2008, 11:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
MSD Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: CT	Only a few days after the 2012 presidential election, the Antichrist Obama will have won and reveal his true nature, placing his mark on the right hand and forehead of all who supported him. This will begin the battle of armageddon and fulfill the prophecies of Christ and the Mayans.

06-21-2008, 04:00 PM	#10 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Shhhhh...I'm lurking... Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Platonic Wastelands.	12/21/12 - The Great Disappointment where people will wake up and realize they have three shopping days left. __________________ "Like it or not, change has come. O.J. is in prison, and a black man is in the White House. Is everybody happy now?" -Tim Reid & Tom Dreesen

06-21-2008, 04:19 PM	#11 (permalink)
Hain Pretty far out, man! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: across the Atlantic pond	@ Tully Mars: It's 21 Dec 2012. I actually found this really neat lecture on the Mayan Long Count and what the end of that calendar meant. As it was stated, the Mayans believed in this over-consciousness of everything, and that is what they were keeping track of. As it happens, this consciousness is evolving, much as our universe had, more and more complex things are forming in it (first hydrogen turned to helium making stars, and then stars to planets, then our planet with life, with life to civilizations, from civilizations to coffee, from coffee to double shot cappuccinos, etc). It claims that the Mayan Calendar was remarkably coincidental to point out the calendar started 14 billion years ago (around the same time as the universe) and consciousness was accelerated on every fifth "day" while terrible stuff happened on every fifth "night" of an era. It was a neat presentation. Seeing the history of things and where they fell on the calendar was kinda breath taking. It had a new-age hippo undertone that it will not be the end of the world, but the end of our individual consciousness and we will become part of all things (think the omega point). Just remind yourself that if it is the end of the world: apologize to the people you hate, tell the ones you love that you do, and then sit back and watch the fun. For the record, I hope it ends, so no stock piling anything for me. Last edited by Hain; 06-21-2008 at 04:21 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

06-21-2008, 06:22 PM	#12 (permalink)
Baraka_Guru In the 6th percentile Moderator Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto	Personally, I think this date will mark a turning point for the better. This is cyclical. We are entering the low point in our spiritual evolution, and 2012 will mark a shift towards a better humanity. This date doesn't necessarily mean apocalypse; it could mean our spiritual transformation--a new world order, which in itself would be a great shift. __________________ "The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. [...] In our age there is no such thing as 'keeping out of politics.' All issues are political issues, and politics itself is a mass of lies, evasions, folly, hatred, and schizophrenia. When the general atmosphere is bad, language must suffer." —"Politics and the English Language," George Orwell "Humankind cannot bear very much reality." —"Burnt Norton," Four Quartets, T. S. Eliot

06-23-2008, 11:00 PM	#18 (permalink)
AKR Upright Join Date: Apr 2008	Curious. I want to keep my individual consciousness. I don't like the idea of a hive-mind. Anyone familiar with the Singularity, with respect to the development of a civilization? Technological development in a civilization is exponential, not linear, as each technology we develop helps develop the next much quicker. The singularity is the point at which the curve becomes almost vertical, and a civilization reaches total enlightenment almost instantly at that point. Most futurists attribute this change to the fusion between man and machine. A humans creativity and a machines processing ability together would be mindblowing. One interesting thought was that as wireless technology began to develop, we would begin transmitting not just information ,but actual intelligence. Eventually, the airspace around us would become saturated with intelligence itself, and eventually, the universe itself would "wake up". Few futurists have even tried to comprehend the consequences of such a thing. Its all in a book, "The Singularity is Near". I do not remember the author exactly, Ray K-something. This whole 2012 thing reminds me of that. As for Y2K, how did that Broken Saints quote go... "How many software engineers got fat from Y2K? How many of us were siphoned off by the banks and the military, NDA's in hand, to tweak digits 'till the eleventh hour? We save their asses, and the news called it a 'non-event'. I slept until March after that 'non-event'." If Obama was the anti-christ, I'd be laughing my ass off all the way through the 7 years tribulation. They'd have to put me on IV, and put me in the dedicated wing of hte hospital, that they isolated for victims of the Laughing Syndrome which has suddenly affected millions of the highly educated. My bets are on Pope Benedict. Have you seen the guy? He looks almost exactly like Emperor Palpatine. Every time he speaks in public, I expect his voice to suddenly get really creepy, and for him to say "Execute Order 66." Thats when the previously-underground Civil Faith forces break down my door, along with the doors of millions of other professed atheists, Jews, and Muslims, and put one shot through my head. They'd forget about everyone in the East. Last edited by AKR; 06-23-2008 at 11:09 PM.

06-24-2008, 10:20 AM	#20 (permalink)
Alta Upright Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Ontario, Canada	And not just the Year 2000 fiasco. I am pretty sure that the end of world has been predicted before complete with groups fasting and praying. What about the Jupiter Effect, all those planets lined up? It did occur, as it had to do, but nothing happened on earth. I recognize that much of what has been posted has been for humorous effect, but if anyone takes this seriously.... Also wanting to point out that demanding a proof that something won't happen is logical fallacy. A person can make any number of predictions and then demand that opponents prove they won't happen. I predict that in 2012 a comet will knock the moon out of orbit, it will crash into the earth and destroy all life. Prove it won't happen. And etcetera. Alta

06-24-2008, 11:12 AM	#21 (permalink)
DaveOrion Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Somewhere Out There	It should also be noted that the Bible Code enthusiasts made numerous predications in 2002-2003 about the Anti-Christ who they considered to be Cardinal Lustiger. They made these predications based on several different codes and a little numerology mixed in. He was on the list of potential candidates for Pope, but as we all know now he never became Pope. He died in 2007 at a clinic outside Paris after battling bone & lung cancer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardinal_Lustiger All references to these prophecies have since been removed from this site. http://exodus2006.com/Whappen.htm __________________ The world cares very little about what you know; it is what you are able to do that really matters.

06-24-2008, 07:50 PM	#22 (permalink)
Manuel Hong Addict Join Date: May 2003 Location: Land of the puny, wimpy states	I just saw a Toltec elder speak about this. I've been pretty much following the 2102 thing for years now. The Mayans never really claimed it would be the end of the world, it's marking a new era. A shift. The Elder Tlakaelel (sp?) said that the earth changes are happening NOW, if you look around you'll see this is so. The shift will bring about a new awareness, a consciousness, an awakening that will bring us closer together. More of a community, more compassion...if you look around you may also see that this is so. Of course, it is not so for many people. A lot of people have chosen a different reality. (To briefly touch upon quantum mechanics, I will just mention here that we do indeed create our reality through our beliefs. nuf said there. lots written about this EVERYWHERE!!) I have also heard some mention the possibility of reality being split- some continue to exist in fear (by their choice) while others exist in love (choice) and never the twain shall meet again (not choo-choo twain!). someone else suggested that perhaps there will be 3 realities, the third being a sort of pergatory...who knows... In any case, the hype about doomsday is really just that, hype. I hold out hope that it will herald a new age of conscious awareness for the Earth and each other, finding balance and harmony to exist in peace and in alignment with the natural world. Ah Ho!! Heiyeya. May it be so. __________________ Believe nothing, even if I tell it to you, unless it meets with your own good common sense and experience. - Siddhartha Gautama (The Buddha)