Who will be McCain's Vice President? - Tilted Forum Project - TFP - Sexuality, Philosophy and Political Discussion

ASU2003 · 08-23-2008, 02:40 PM

Will it be Lieberman? Giuliani? Alaska gov. Sarah Palin? Mike Huckabee? Romney?

Do you think he will pick someone from outside Washington? Young or Old? Religious or center-leaning?

Who do you want to see him pick?

I think Sarah Palin would be the most interesting choice. It would make all the females that were supporting Hilary just because of her gender think about switching sides (Hilary could run again in 4 years if Obama loses too). In reality I think he will pick Huckabee.

Willravel · 08-23-2008, 03:08 PM

Romney might be a smart choice for a GOP campaign. He'll probably want someone more conservative and religious than he appears, but not ultra-religious like Huckabee. He and Leiberman seem to be buddies (shudders), but picking a Republican in Democrat's clothing could lose him a lot of hard core Republicans, which seem to be his base.

Who do I want him to pick? Dennis Kucinich!

jorgelito · 08-23-2008, 03:47 PM

Could be Lieberman, Bobby Jindal, or how about Powell or Rice?

Any of these would give McCain an instant minority boost to counter Obama.

Willravel · 08-23-2008, 03:59 PM

Powell would be a brilliant choice, but he'd probably turn it down.

Rice is interesting, but I always get the impression that people don't like her. I mean it's obvious why liberals don't like her, and irrelevant, but a lot of my conservative friends don't trust her. I'll have to ask why. Moreover, I'm not sure if she could do the job if anything happened to McCain. Powell? Absolutely. Leiberman? Maybe. Rice? I honestly don't think so.

dc_dux · 08-23-2008, 04:01 PM

I think McCain has to decide if he wants to appeal to the conservative base of the party with a social conservative or broaden his appeal to independents.

In the first scenario, someone like former congressman John Kasich of Ohio (swing state) who is a social and fiscal conservative. In the other scenario, someone like Tom Ridge, former governor of Penn (another swing state).

But most likely, IMO, it will be Romney.
-----Added 23/8/2008 at 06 : 03 : 03-----
There is still a rumor that Powell will speak at the Democratic convention on Wednesday night (national security night) and endorse Obama.

highthief · 08-23-2008, 04:24 PM

Never mind - error!

dc_dux · 08-23-2008, 04:25 PM

Its a safe bet it wont be Pat Buchanan....lol

In a recent article on World Net Daily, Buchanan described McCain's top foreign policy adviser (who was a lobbyist for the Repub of Georgia) as a neocon war monger....a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes.

forseti-6 · 08-23-2008, 06:31 PM

It's going to be Romney. I don't think there is a better choice because he brings economic knowledge as well has been vetted A LOT during the primaries.

If McCain wants to guarantee victory, select Hillary, HAHA. I don't think that would happen in a million years, but who knows.

If McCain chooses a pro-lifer like Lieberman or Ridge, he's going to lost a lot of the evangelical vote.

jorgelito · 08-23-2008, 07:21 PM

Well having Rice, Powell or Jindal would equalize the whole race issue. Obama would lose the whole "minority" novelty and the contest could get back to real issues. Rice is a highly educated, competent woman. Of course many people don't like her. Hillary suffers from the same problem.

Hmm...Hillary-Rice ticket...interesting..... Wonder if Oprah would endorse them...

ASU2003 · 08-23-2008, 08:34 PM

In a dream world Powell would run.

But I highly doubt it.

ottopilot · 08-23-2008, 10:57 PM

I don't believe it really matters who McCain's VP choice is... Obama will win handily regardless.

With that said... it will most likely be Romney.

Willravel · 08-23-2008, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

I don't believe it really matters who McCain's VP choice is... Obama will win handily regardless.

With that said... it will most likely be Romney.

Just out of curiosity what would your dream Republican ticket look like?

ottopilot · 08-23-2008, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Willravel

Just out of curiosity what would your dream Republican ticket look like?

I'm not a Republican. My dream candidate would be non-partisan or apolitical.

I guess since we're dealing with real as opposed to ideal... I could live with something like a Lieberman / Powell (or vice versa) ticket.

samcol · 08-24-2008, 05:51 AM

I think Ron Paul is a shoe in for the republican VP spot.

ottopilot · 08-24-2008, 06:21 AM

So here's Ron Paul with a pancake on his head.

Ron Paul Pancake Head.jpg

pan6467 · 08-24-2008, 09:36 AM

Do not be surprised if McCain brings in a true darkhorse that no one even thought of.... former mayor of Cleveland, former Ohio governor, presently US Senator representing Ohio, George Voinivch.

Voinivich has an extreme bipartisan following in Ohio, a state McCain needs to win.

Both are mavericks, both are trying to shake up and redesign the GOP name.

Voinivich , IHO, McCain's strongest move. He rebuilt Cleveland, he was an extremely good governor in Ohio that was able to work well with both parties.

He's pro-life, so the GOP can rest easily. But he has voted NO with Dems to extend Bush's tax cuts Vote 118: H R 4297 . He has voted with Dems on numerous issues, Vote 157: S 2611: Would tighten border security and establish guest worker and "path to citizenship" programs, Vote 229: On the Cloture Motion: Motion to Invoke Cloture on the Motion to Proceed to Consider H.R.5970; Estate Tax and Extension of Tax Relief Act of 2006, Vote 177: H R 6331: Shall H.R. 6331 Pass, the objections of the President of the United States to the contrary notwithstanding?; Medicare Improvement for Patients and Providers Act of 2008.

How did he vote on Bolton?
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2005/04...ote-on-bolton/

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GOP Sen. Voinivich Blocks Vote on Bolton
Jon Ponder | Apr. 19, 2005

The Democrats on Foreign Relations did their level best to derail the nomination of hotheaded Bush political operative John Bolton as US Ambassador to the United Nations but it was Republican Sen. George Voinivich of Ohio who shut down the vote for now:

A Senate committee delayed a crucial vote today on President Bush’s nomination of John R. Bolton to be the United States’ ambassador to the United Nations after a Republican senator stunned the Foreign Relations Committee by saying he might oppose the nomination if forced to take a stand.

The delay exposes Bolton, a controversial State Department hawk, to at least three more weeks of efforts by Democrats to derail his nomination as other Republicans waver over allegations that Bolton intimidated subordinates over disagreements about policy and intelligence assessments.

The delay also marks a setback for the Bush administration, which was trying to push the nomination through the committee in the face of the wavering support of two moderate Republicans, Sens. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island and Chuck Hagel of Nebraska.

But it was a third Republican, Sen. George Voinovich of Ohio, who voiced doubts about Bolton today and forced a delay in the vote.

“I’ve heard enough today that I don’t feel comfortable about voting for Mr. Bolton,” Voinovich said. “I’ve heard enough today that gives me concern as a member of this committee.”

I truly believe, Voinivich would be McCain's best choice. I think that a McCain-Voinivich ticket would be unbeatable by Obama. It would be enough to get moderates from both sides to take notice, it would be an Independent's dream and there is no dirt on Voinivich, the man is truly a decent man. I have had issues with his voting record but unlike some..... cough Biden cough...... he stands up for what he believes and doesn't back down or sell out.

This was written in January of this year,

Martin Gottlieb: McCain, Voinovich: Distant brothers

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Martin Gottlieb: McCain, Voinovich: Distant brothers

By Martin Gottlieb

Friday, January 18, 2008

Some followers of politics in Ohio might be wondering why Sen. George Voinovich is not now — and never has been — publicly aligned with presidential candidate John McCain.

They seem, after all, to have much in common. Both are strong Republicans with strong independent streaks. Specifically, both are generally seen as tilting from Republican orthodoxy toward the political center.
Extras

Both, for example, have been skeptical of Bush administration tax cuts, at various times. Both have been generally strong for the Iraq war, but critical of the administration's handling of it (though McCain was more strongly for the surge).

Both are also anti-abortion, rather than aligned with the "social moderates" in the party; that's worth noting because abortion is still one of the issues that defines political subdivisions in this country.

And yet when McCain was looking for support for a compromise on judicial nomination, for example, he came up with then-Sen. Mike DeWine, not Voinovich.

The pattern has held with regard to McCain's presidential campaigns.

All things considered, McCain and Voinovich bring to mind brothers who aren't close.

But there are differences between them. They might even be seen as profound and fundamental, depending how one thinks about politics or, as the politicians like to say, public service.

Look at the Senate issues they focus on, try to establish expertise in and have their names connected with in the Senate.

With McCain, you're talking about big, juicy, high-profile stuff: campaign-finance reform, pork-barrel spending, war and peace.

With Voinovich you're generally talking about the nuts and bolts of making governance work. Symbolically enough, one of his big concerns has been civil-service reform, designed to make sure the federal government is expertly staffed.

And you're talking about attention to the federal debt, an issue that is equally avoided by the politicians of both parties.

In foreign policy right now, Voinovich is particularly focused on Kosovo. And his involvement is typical of him. He's not fighting for or against its independence from Serbia, which is the hot issue. He's pushing the State Department and others to focus more energetically on the effort to make transformation to independence go well.

He has myriad initiatives in other realms. Most typically, he doesn't play to one side or another in a hot-button debate, but tries to focus attention on issues that otherwise don't get much attention.

This difference in issues plays out in different relations with the media.

Among media people, McCain is associated with "straight talk," meaning both a willingness to relax and say what's on his mind and a willingness in campaigns to speak unpleasant truths. A classic example was his admission in Michigan that auto industry jobs aren't coming back. His more opportunistic opponent, Mitt Romney, pounced on him.

Voinovich, meanwhile, has a reputation not as a "straight talker," in the McCain sense, nor as an obfuscator, but as a policy wonk who isn't very quotable.

To stretch a point, what we have here are two different approaches to the life of the centrist, of the skeptic surrounded by partisans and ideological warriors.

If you like the Voinovich approach, you might see McCain as a glory hound. You might, for example, see the pork-barrel issue as one that the media love, but that is of trivial importance. It entails a tiny percentage of the federal budget, and, anyway, some of the projects are actually good, concrete, nonpartisan ways of helping local communities.

You might also note that, much as the media love the campaign-spending issue, nothing ever really changes as to the power of the special interests in politics, no matter what. You might also believe the problem is overstated, anyway.

If, on the other hand, you like the McCain approach, you might see Voinovich as a back-bencher, a guy who doesn't enter, or typically figure into, the big battles, who doesn't get himself bloodied, doesn't really try to lead.

In a recent telephone press conference, Voinovich, typically, wanted to talk about such issues as Egypt and Kosovo. But he was asked about the presidential race.

He wouldn't endorse, but seemed to maybe lean toward Mitt Romney, because of his executive experience. He believes that where George W. Bush has really failed is in management.

That's a fairly unusual perspective, but one that wouldn't surprise anybody who knows Voinovich.

Some might conclude that the big difference between McCain and Voinovich is that one clearly has been aiming for the presidency since he got to Washington, and one hasn't. But, really, it's more than that.

So don't be surprised..... I have a feeling Voinivich maybe on that list and it maybe only Voinivich's decision that keeps him off.

dc_dux · 08-24-2008, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by pan6467

So don't be surprised..... I have a feeling Voinivich maybe on that list and it maybe only Voinivich's decision that keeps him off.

pan....I would be very surprised...no, shocked and stunned beyond belief.

While Voinovich is a well-respected policy wonk, right up there with Biden, he is probably one of the dullest members of the Senate and not what you want and need on the campaign trail. And, I dont see anything in your article that would suggest that McCain and Voinovich have any interest in working together.

The articulate and young pretty boy from OH, John Kasich, would be much more formidable.

pan6467 · 08-24-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dc_dux

pan....I would be very surprised...no, shocked and stunned beyond belief.

While Voinovich is a well-respected policy wonk, right up there with Biden, he is probably one of the dullest members of the Senate and not what you want and need on the campaign trail. And, I dont see anything in your article that would suggest that McCain and Voinovich have any interest in working together.

The articulate and young pretty boy from OH, John Kasich, would be much more formidable.

Kasich sucks. Too GOP. May help him in parts of Ohio, but those parts he'd already have locked up. Voinivich would bring ALL of Ohio. And dull or not, Voinivich has a lot of respect on both sides of the aisle and is not a puppet.

Course if McCain truly wants young, pretty boy, strong on beliefs..... he could switch parties and nominate my personal favorite senator and politician.... the one and only SHERROD BROWN..... IF Obama had chosen Brown... I'd be wearing Obama pins, have Obama/BROWN bumperstickers and be the biggest fundraiser for that ticket they'd have in Ohio......

perhaps I could do it for McCain/Brown...... stop laughing........ it's possible in my reality.

Plus, boring and unassuming maybe the contrast needed for the supposed hot headed, publicity hound, maverick McCain needs.

guy44 · 08-25-2008, 09:16 AM

Can't be Romney. Nobody really likes him and he's like the only guy in politics richer than McCain. After house-gate (I've got McCain owning 8 houses in the office pool!) McCain cannot choose another moneybags.

Rekna · 08-25-2008, 11:52 AM

It will probably be Cheney...

dc_dux · 08-25-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rekna

It will probably be Cheney...

From an interview McCain had with Stephen Hayes in 2005 (who was writing Cheney's biography at the time):

Asked whether he’d be interested in Cheney had the vice president not already have served under Bush for two terms, McCain said: “I don’t know if I would want him as vice president. He and I have the same strengths. But to serve in other capacities? Hell, yeah.”

With Cheney's popularity even lower than Bush's (less than 20% in one recent poll).....now that would make a great ad!

Stare At The Sun · 08-25-2008, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ottopilot

I don't believe it really matters who McCain's VP choice is... Obama will win handily regardless.

With that said... it will most likely be Romney.

I think you'll be quite amazed when the actual elections take place. It will be close.

forseti-6 · 08-25-2008, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by guy44

Can't be Romney. Nobody really likes him and he's like the only guy in politics richer than McCain. After house-gate (I've got McCain owning 8 houses in the office pool!) McCain cannot choose another moneybags.

You're completely off base here. Romney is a very good conservative VP choice. I don't know what you mean by nobody. Do some research first.

Last time I checked, Obama was fairly well off too. Kerry was extremely rich. It's a double standard that Obama is trying to make John McCain's success seem like a bad thing. Since when was success bad?

08-23-2008, 02:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: possibly ohio	Who will be McCain's Vice President? Will it be Lieberman? Giuliani? Alaska gov. Sarah Palin? Mike Huckabee? Romney? Do you think he will pick someone from outside Washington? Young or Old? Religious or center-leaning? Who do you want to see him pick? I think Sarah Palin would be the most interesting choice. It would make all the females that were supporting Hilary just because of her gender think about switching sides (Hilary could run again in 4 years if Obama loses too). In reality I think he will pick Huckabee.

08-23-2008, 03:47 PM	#3 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Could be Lieberman, Bobby Jindal, or how about Powell or Rice? Any of these would give McCain an instant minority boost to counter Obama. __________________ "The race is not always to the swift, nor battle to the strong, but to the one that endures to the end." "Demand more from yourself, more than anyone else could ever ask!" - My recruiter

08-23-2008, 04:01 PM	#5 (permalink)
dc_dux Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington DC	I think McCain has to decide if he wants to appeal to the conservative base of the party with a social conservative or broaden his appeal to independents. In the first scenario, someone like former congressman John Kasich of Ohio (swing state) who is a social and fiscal conservative. In the other scenario, someone like Tom Ridge, former governor of Penn (another swing state). But most likely, IMO, it will be Romney. -----Added 23/8/2008 at 06 : 03 : 03----- There is still a rumor that Powell will speak at the Democratic convention on Wednesday night (national security night) and endorse Obama. __________________ "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. " ~ H.L. Mencken Last edited by dc_dux; 08-23-2008 at 04:03 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

08-23-2008, 04:24 PM	#6 (permalink)
highthief Junkie Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada	Never mind - error! __________________ Si vis pacem parabellum.

08-23-2008, 04:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
dc_dux Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Washington DC	Its a safe bet it wont be Pat Buchanan....lol In a recent article on World Net Daily, Buchanan described McCain's top foreign policy adviser (who was a lobbyist for the Repub of Georgia) as a neocon war monger....a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes. __________________ "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican. " ~ H.L. Mencken

08-23-2008, 03:08 PM	#2 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	Romney might be a smart choice for a GOP campaign. He'll probably want someone more conservative and religious than he appears, but not ultra-religious like Huckabee. He and Leiberman seem to be buddies (shudders), but picking a Republican in Democrat's clothing could lose him a lot of hard core Republicans, which seem to be his base. Who do I want him to pick? Dennis Kucinich!

08-23-2008, 03:59 PM	#4 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	Powell would be a brilliant choice, but he'd probably turn it down. Rice is interesting, but I always get the impression that people don't like her. I mean it's obvious why liberals don't like her, and irrelevant, but a lot of my conservative friends don't trust her. I'll have to ask why. Moreover, I'm not sure if she could do the job if anything happened to McCain. Powell? Absolutely. Leiberman? Maybe. Rice? I honestly don't think so.

08-23-2008, 06:31 PM	#8 (permalink)
forseti-6 Existentialist Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Bowling Green, KY	It's going to be Romney. I don't think there is a better choice because he brings economic knowledge as well has been vetted A LOT during the primaries. If McCain wants to guarantee victory, select Hillary, HAHA. I don't think that would happen in a million years, but who knows. If McCain chooses a pro-lifer like Lieberman or Ridge, he's going to lost a lot of the evangelical vote. __________________ "Don't cry because it's over. Smile because it happened." - Dr. Seuss

08-23-2008, 07:21 PM	#9 (permalink)
jorgelito All important elusive independent swing voter... Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: People's Republic of KKKalifornia	Well having Rice, Powell or Jindal would equalize the whole race issue. Obama would lose the whole "minority" novelty and the contest could get back to real issues. Rice is a highly educated, competent woman. Of course many people don't like her. Hillary suffers from the same problem. Hmm...Hillary-Rice ticket...interesting..... Wonder if Oprah would endorse them... __________________ "The race is not always to the swift, nor battle to the strong, but to the one that endures to the end." "Demand more from yourself, more than anyone else could ever ask!" - My recruiter

08-23-2008, 08:34 PM	#10 (permalink)
ASU2003 immoral minority Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: possibly ohio	In a dream world Powell would run. But I highly doubt it.

08-23-2008, 10:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
ottopilot capstan flanging Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waddy Peytona	I don't believe it really matters who McCain's VP choice is... Obama will win handily regardless. With that said... it will most likely be Romney. __________________ "All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes" - H.L. Mencken "continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it." - George Washington on political parties

08-24-2008, 05:51 AM	#14 (permalink)
samcol Junkie Join Date: May 2003 Location: Indiana	I think Ron Paul is a shoe in for the republican VP spot. __________________ These are the times that try men's souls. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered.

08-24-2008, 06:21 AM	#15 (permalink)
ottopilot capstan flanging Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Waddy Peytona	So here's Ron Paul with a pancake on his head. Ron Paul Pancake Head.jpg __________________ "All the leaders of groups tend to be frauds. If they were not, it would be impossible for them to retain the allegiance of their dupes" - H.L. Mencken "continual mischiefs of the spirit of party are sufficient to make it the interest and duty of a wise people to discourage and restrain it." - George Washington on political parties

08-25-2008, 09:16 AM	#19 (permalink)
guy44 Somnabulist Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: corner of No and Where	Can't be Romney. Nobody really likes him and he's like the only guy in politics richer than McCain. After house-gate (I've got McCain owning 8 houses in the office pool!) McCain cannot choose another moneybags. __________________ "You have reached Ritual Sacrifice. For goats press one, or say 'goats.'"

08-25-2008, 11:52 AM	#20 (permalink)
Rekna Junkie Join Date: Nov 2003	It will probably be Cheney...