Tully Mars

Co-chair of the McCain presidential campaign and former CEO of HP says Palin doesn't have enough experience to run HP. Yet she seems to think Palin's fully ready to be VP. WTF!?!

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ratbastid

To be fair, Carly Fiorina didn't have what it took to run HP either. On her tenure HP lost half its market value and hemorrhaged jobs...

onesnowyowl

Carly Fiorina actually has very little room to talk in this situation as she basically ran HP into the ground during her time as CEO. She completely changed the corporate culture there and not for the better; when she was ousted employees threw parties to celebrate.

Carly's pretty much always been full of shit.

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dc_dux

The $21 million golden parachute she received will buy alot of shit!

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Tully Mars

I think she's full of shit too, The board tossed her out on her ass if I remember correctly. I just found it odd someone high up in the McCain camp would publicly state the VP Nom. isn't experienced enough to run a major company yet thinks she is experienced enough to possibly run the country. I think many on the right know she's an empty suit and isn't qualified. But that's not what they seem to care about. She's playing well in middle America and that's all that matters.

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ratbastid

Who, Palin? That's not my read.

My read is, there were a WHOLE lot of Republicans who were downright DESPERATE for a reason to get behind McCain, but it wasn't going to be McCain himself. So the campaign found a charismatic, attractive, VERY conservative woman, and stuck her on the ticket. Now those who would have held their nose as they voted for McCain have something to rally around--no matter how in-denial they are about the woman's qualifications, positions, and intellect. The support for her is blind, unthinking, and brittle to assault. I believe that's what we're seeing.

Cynthetiq

I thought the title read FLORIDA says Palin not ready... very different topic.

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Tully Mars

I think her support is blind and unthinking, doesn't mean she's not playing well in middle America. IMHO, far too many voters cast their ballot for BS reasons and not on the issues. For what ever reason many people vote for someone they see as the common man/woman. Someone they see as an everyday person just like themselves. Personally I don't want a common person running the country. I want some one way smarter then the common everyday guy on the street type person. And yes, I've heard this argument somewhere else (Stewart, Carlin, Maher?) not trying to steal their thoughts, just agreeing with them.

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She's already peaked. She's lost Tante, who saw her interview last week and now thinks, correctly, that she's a moron.

By the end of the day today, she may be forgotten.

Tully Mars

I think she's unqualified, under experienced and I disagree with her on just about every issue. I think she'd make an awful VP. I don't however think she's a moron.

Also by the way the right's base has embraced her I doubt she'll be forgotten by tomorrow, or anytime soon for that matter.

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Tully, I agree with your assertions on Palin, but this has always been my take on the Obama phenomenon. There seems to be this blind unthinking desire to elect someone, who by any comparative measure to Palin, is just as unqualified. Each one appealing to their base regardless of substance. Perhaps that's all that will matter in this election.

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ratbastid

Well, look, even if I were, for the sake of this post, to stipulate that their level of qualification is identical, there's unqualified and intelligent and willing to listen to differing positions and be a force for unification in the world, and then there's unqualified and uninformed and stupid and uninterested in positions other than her own and wanting to be a continuation of the imperial presidency we've lived in for eight years.

In other words: it's not the experience that she really fails at.

Tully Mars

Well obviously I disagree with you on the issue of who's more qualified. But I'm more then willing to simply agree to disagree there.

I think you're right about it coming down to appealing to the base (on both sides) with a small play for those in the undecided column.

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aceventura3

Palin's husband says she is not qualified to fly his plane. Is that the next headline? What happened to - "government of the people , by the people, for the people?" Oh, stricken from the record due to the reference to God.

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I think we are best served in government by people who share common values. Now that would be real change. Go Palin! I like her more every day and with every elitist criticism.

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ottopilot

I understand your passion, but is what you've stated really accurate? Being passionate is one thing, but this tone in regard to Palin seems to perforate the current pro-Obama rhetoric. It's unseemly and reactionary, and appears more off-topic, trending toward less unifying or intellectual tones of his earlier message. The old Rove strategy to never accuse your opponent of your own weaknesses comes to mind in this case. The more his campaign slugs it out in the mud wars, Obama is looking less and less like the statesman above the frey that often he claims to be.

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ratbastid

It's weird that criticisms of someone by people you don't like push you closer to that someone. I don't know, I just find that weird.

Do you know what her positions are? Do you agree with them? I'd think that would matter more than the question of who's talking against her.
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aceventura3

I tried to explain in another post somewhere, I was told I was a chauvinist. I thought I was a gentleman. I read in article where the author describe people like as gallant. Perhaps, I have seen too many Disney movies.

Yes. I do find it interesting that much of the criticism was not related to issue, but initially appeared to be sexist coming from people who pretend they are supportive of diversity.

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asaris

What are your common values with Palin, ace? Or what values do you share with her that you do not share with Obama and Biden?

And I think it's obviously relevant what one of McCain's top advisor's says about Palin (and about McCain himself); if McCain's own people don't trust her to be competent, one heartbeat from the presidency, why should we?

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hiredgun

With respect, Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He is at least extremely intelligent. Palin, by contrast, seems frightening uninformed on a host of important issues. Their governing experience may be comparable, but at least concede that much.

roachboy

i have to say that i'm surprised that mc-cain's campaign headed in this personality-driven direction because it requires not only that they control the direction of debate, but also that they control the terms. in this case, there's the "elitism" motif that can be appealed to--it's already implicit in ace's post earlier--a president "of the people" is, apparently, a strange idea since it is the republicans who would arrogate to themselves the prerogative of determining who "the people" are. and the campaign puts itself in the position of having to make that stick, too, otherwise they land in no-win exchanges like this.

very strange.
the campaign must have felt that they had no options.
this seems like scorched earth...

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Tully Mars

I firmly believe that the general election and the primaries are completely different animals. But if you look back at the Dem primary Hilary really didn't start making ground until she used the "kitchen sink" strategy.

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jorgelito

That's it right there. Both sides are fighting hard on the "base" front, and ignoring the other 20%. That could prove to be the undoing of one of them. It remains to be seen if one of the sides can figure out to stop this nonsense and get back to the actual election campaign.

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