Derwood

Bush's Shocking Biblical Prophecy Emerges: God Wants to "Erase" Mid-East Enemies "Before a New Age Begins" | Politics | AlterNet


There were always rumors to this sort of thing, but it's no less shocking to find out for sure.

Daniel_

I can't say I'm shocked that it happened.

I don't care what God anyone chooses to follow, but I have a fundamental issue over anyone who claims to be Christian and advocates war.

Even if you accept the Christian theology allowing a "just war", this was not one as I understand it; but to see it justified by use of obscure elements of the Old Testament (which I was taught became irrelevant with the death of Christ Redeemer) is even more alarming.

I bet the French were not impressed.

__________________

╔═════════════════════════════════════════╗
Overhead, the Albatross hangs motionless upon the air,
And deep beneath the rolling waves,
In labyrinths of Coral Caves,
The Echo of a distant time
Comes willowing across the sand;
And everthing is Green and Submarine
╚═════════════════════════════════════════╝

asaris

I don't even care that much if a leader believes he needs to invade Iraq to prevent Gog and Magog from rising, if there are other sufficient reasons for war. What I don't get is why he thought it would convince Chirac.

__________________
"Die Deutschen meinen, daß die Kraft sich in Härte und Grausamkeit offenbaren müsse, sie unterwerfen sich dann gerne und mit Bewunderung:[...]. Daß es Kraft giebt in der Milde und Stille, das glauben sie nicht leicht."

"The Germans believe that power must reveal itself in hardness and cruelty and then submit themselves gladly and with admiration[...]. They do not believe readily that there is power in meekness and calm."

-- Friedrich Nietzsche

roachboy

well, whats more than a little strange about this rapture business as an element of bush administration foreign policy in particular is that it makes some sense of it in ways that it wouldn't without it. the foreshortened sense of the future, the strategic blindness--hell, why bother with strategy if you are expecting a deus ex machina, right?

then there's the idea that cowboy george actually believed he was on a mission from some god and said as much because he really did think that saying it would be persuasive, like it'd let the other leaders in on some secret and maybe get them to climb on board. *that* is peculiar.

__________________
a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle
spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear

it make you sick.

-kamau brathwaite

Martian

I Am Not Surprised.

__________________
I wake up in the morning more tired than before I slept
I get through cryin' and I'm sadder than before I wept
I get through thinkin' now, and the thoughts have left my head
I get through speakin' and I can't remember, not a word that I said

- Ben Harper, Show Me A Little Shame

LoganSnake

Religion has no place in politics.

__________________
There is a core and it's hardcore. All is hardcore when made with love. The love is voice of savage soul. This savage love is understructable.

Given enough time all gods and goddesses die, they are then merely replaced with new mythology.

Marvelous Marv

Yes, there can be no doubt about it.

I heard Hillary voted for it as part of her periodic Satanic ritual.

__________________
"The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."
Margaret Thatcher

Charlatan

While I remain skeptical about this, I would not be surprised if it were true.

__________________
“Under a separation of state and economics, especially with laissez-faire capitalism [Free Trade], the state no longer has a role to play in protecting the people and assuring their happiness. Laissez-faire means capitalism is outside the regulatory control of the state and that the people are entirely at the mercy of the capitalists.”
– Thomas Jefferson

dippin

I think that there are many other indications of this sort of thing that are not as bombastic as the Iraq war.

I've done some consulting for a firm that has a grant to evaluate P E P F A R, the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief. Now, some of the religious inspiration for it is quite clear. These include a mandate that 1/3 of prevention spending be on abstinence only education, a ban from using that money on needle exchange, and the so called "anti-prostitution pledge," which basically means that any agency, domestic or foreign, that receives P E P F A R money cannot in any way, even with funds other than those from the US, do any sort of outreach or assistance to prostitutes.


These things are a matter of public record, but what I witnessed as a consultant in this firm went beyond that. Policy evaluation grants usually entail two things, the delivery of a report detailing the specifics they were asked to evaluate, and the "publisheables." That is, secondary publications in academic journals, policy reports, etc. about the program. Often the agency that has the grant has the right to deny any publication that was generated with the grant money. Generally they don't enforce this, as submitting findings for evaluation by the scientific community is a good thing. But in this case, the Bush administration low level staffers in charge of dealing with that company were very strict in terms of what got out of there. The evaluation itself was to be merely about cost effectiveness of treatment, more specifically cost per patient of treatment. No evaluation was to be published on the epidemiology of it, on whether the conditions increased or decreased the prevalence of AIDS, and so on.

Now, of course, many will point out that no one is forced to take that money or to adopt that pledge, and they will be right, but that is beside the point. The point is that, to the tune of 15 billion dollars, the US implemented a plan where AIDS reduction was clearly a secondary goal to moral proselytism.

Charlatan

I find it interesting that they should exclude those who would support prostitutes when Jesus himself is often shown to have associated with Prostitutes, and worse... tax collectors.

__________________
“Under a separation of state and economics, especially with laissez-faire capitalism [Free Trade], the state no longer has a role to play in protecting the people and assuring their happiness. Laissez-faire means capitalism is outside the regulatory control of the state and that the people are entirely at the mercy of the capitalists.”
– Thomas Jefferson

Vigilante

I may be somewhat conservative, but I'm so freakin glad Bush is gone and can never come back. I NEVER supported him. he's a complete idiot, and any religious overtones in the presidency sicken me to no end.

__________________
Stultorum infinitus est numerus

True patriotism is more closely linked to dissent than it is to conformity and a blind desire for safety and security.

SSJTWIZTA

you bastard! im always too slow >.<

edit: i tried to read the article but found myself drifting to the "drugs" section of the webpage.

__________________
First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the communists and I did not speak out because I was not a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for me And there was no one left to speak out for me.
-Pastor Martin Niemoller

Derwood

Tom Ridge: I Was Pressured To Raise Terror Alert To Help Bush Win

Mojo_PeiPei

Surprised nobody has jumped on the CIA having contracted Black Water to assassinate Al-Qaida members.

__________________
To win a war you must serve no master but your ambition.