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YellowBird · 10-10-2009, 05:06 AM

Hi I'm a photograph student. I'm writing an essay on photograph and the fetish - fetish in the sence that Christine Metz and Freud understand it. Not common place fetish.

It's more about the nature of a photograph being still and glossy and it's abilty to have realistic close ups etc and obsession and objectification and Frued's idea's about how the little boy first see's his mother has no penis and turns her underwear into a fetish.

I don't know if anyone will understand or know about any of this. But I need some credible images - not porn. I need well known art photographs who may use fetish elements in there work. I'm having trouble because none of the literature gives names, it just talks about concpets. Robert Mapplethorpe is the only name I have.

The essay is due on monday :P (it's saturday night here)

any thoughts/ names/ images would be of great help.

(I don't know if this is where this thread should go. mods, feel free to move it if need be)

kramus · 10-10-2009, 11:07 AM

Not an afficionado of the fetish, I think of these as art sites. Then again, the female form is the most beautiful form of art in existence. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it

Follow links, photographers, comment pages, forum discussions. Google is your friend. Good luck.

deviantART: where ART meets application! You may have to join to gain access to the specific forum Photography/People&Portraits/Fetish Portraits

Tumbling towards ecstasy...

www.dockera.com ..: sex | drink | fun :..

Roesje: Photographes October

http://www.photodom.com/

lifes beauty

ps - double check all your spelling if this is an essay. eg - when some one is talking about work they do, it is their work, not there work. Also, pay attention to the spelling of names, concepts etc. It can cost you to ignore these details.

Strange Famous · 10-10-2009, 11:50 AM

all pornography is the fetishism of sex, the preference of simulation over reality, the commodification of basic human and in fact genetic desires.

In my opinion you can only really understand the pyschological view of fetishism you talk about in the terms of reference of commodification... its nothing to with kids wanting to shag their mum and kill their dad, its to do with the relentless and ever spiralling thrall of capital and capitalistic conditions.

In fact, I would go so far to say that masturbation is a capitalist invention. Of course, such things mechanically existed in previous societies and even in lower animals, but only under the conditions of capitalism if a multi billion pound masturbation industry created.

I expect you shouldnt have to look too hard to find some so called artist taking a black and white picture of a shoe or a hemline in close up or a set of buttocks... but I do not think such things have any meaning outside of a true understanding of the conditions which create them.

___

"Philosophy is to real life as masturbation is to sex" - Karl Marx

Xerxys · 10-10-2009, 01:03 PM

^^ Jesus Christ!!

Strange, did you just blame capitalism for masturbation?

Willravel · 10-10-2009, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Famous

"Philosophy is to real life as masturbation is to sex" - Karl Marx

The second half of that quote is, "as a communist, I believe the workers should hold democratic orgies so that none are left wanting and everyone has a responsibility to the collective."

Strange Famous · 10-10-2009, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Xerxys

^^ Jesus Christ!!

Strange, did you just blame capitalism for masturbation?

broadly yes

YellowBird · 10-10-2009, 05:41 PM

I think I agree that capitalism is responsible for the masturbation and for that matter, the sex industry. however the act it's self is timeless. And Marx is kinda awesome.

Xerxys · 10-10-2009, 05:55 PM

NO. NO it is NOT.

We fap more because we have recently discovered it doesn't make you bald. Not because we saw on TV that if you fap you will be rich!

Leave capitalism out of this!

Willravel · 10-10-2009, 06:06 PM

But seriously, other primates which do not have capitalist systems also masturbate, which demonstrates conclusively that there's no connection between capitalism and masturbation.

Yellowbird, read Sigmund Freud's Three Essays on Sexuality. It will give you all the insight into the subject you need.

YellowBird · 10-10-2009, 09:09 PM

thanks Willravel I'll have a look at that. As much as I appreciate him, I think Freud was a complete nutcase.

Willravel · 10-10-2009, 09:35 PM

Sure he was a nutcase, but I guess it takes a nutcase to be the father of modern psychology.

If only I were that kind of nutcase, eh?

Plan9 · 10-10-2009, 09:38 PM

This isn't the thread where I post pictures of myself naked except for a thin covering of Cheerios, is it?

The_Jazz · 10-11-2009, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

This isn't the thread where I post pictures of myself naked except for a thin covering of Cheerios, is it?

Yes it is. Please post.

10-10-2009, 05:06 AM	#1 (permalink)
YellowBird Upright Location: Brisbane, Australia	Help with assignment on fetish Hi I'm a photograph student. I'm writing an essay on photograph and the fetish - fetish in the sence that Christine Metz and Freud understand it. Not common place fetish. It's more about the nature of a photograph being still and glossy and it's abilty to have realistic close ups etc and obsession and objectification and Frued's idea's about how the little boy first see's his mother has no penis and turns her underwear into a fetish. I don't know if anyone will understand or know about any of this. But I need some credible images - not porn. I need well known art photographs who may use fetish elements in there work. I'm having trouble because none of the literature gives names, it just talks about concpets. Robert Mapplethorpe is the only name I have. The essay is due on monday :P (it's saturday night here) any thoughts/ names/ images would be of great help. (I don't know if this is where this thread should go. mods, feel free to move it if need be)

10-10-2009, 11:07 AM	#2 (permalink)
kramus Cat's Meow Location: my Lady's manor Blog Entries: 12	Not an afficionado of the fetish, I think of these as art sites. Then again, the female form is the most beautiful form of art in existence. That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it Follow links, photographers, comment pages, forum discussions. Google is your friend. Good luck. deviantART: where ART meets application! You may have to join to gain access to the specific forum Photography/People&Portraits/Fetish Portraits Tumbling towards ecstasy... www.dockera.com ..: sex \| drink \| fun :.. Roesje: Photographes October http://www.photodom.com/ lifes beauty ps - double check all your spelling if this is an essay. eg - when some one is talking about work they do, it is their work, not there work. Also, pay attention to the spelling of names, concepts etc. It can cost you to ignore these details. __________________ And now to disengage the clutch of the forebrain ... browse through my web-space - the link is in my profile under "Biography" Last edited by kramus; 10-10-2009 at 11:12 AM..

10-10-2009, 11:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Strange Famous Dangerous in action and always eager for it Location: Ipswich, UK Blog Entries: 12	all pornography is the fetishism of sex, the preference of simulation over reality, the commodification of basic human and in fact genetic desires. In my opinion you can only really understand the pyschological view of fetishism you talk about in the terms of reference of commodification... its nothing to with kids wanting to shag their mum and kill their dad, its to do with the relentless and ever spiralling thrall of capital and capitalistic conditions. In fact, I would go so far to say that masturbation is a capitalist invention. Of course, such things mechanically existed in previous societies and even in lower animals, but only under the conditions of capitalism if a multi billion pound masturbation industry created. I expect you shouldnt have to look too hard to find some so called artist taking a black and white picture of a shoe or a hemline in close up or a set of buttocks... but I do not think such things have any meaning outside of a true understanding of the conditions which create them. ___ "Philosophy is to real life as masturbation is to sex" - Karl Marx __________________ "Lying in bed on a summer morning, with the window open, listening to the church bells, eating buttered toast with cunty fingers.” (on the meaning of Englishness) "To say that God spoke to him in a dream is no more than to say that he dreamed that God spake to him" (Thomas Hobbes) Last edited by Strange Famous; 10-10-2009 at 11:52 AM..

10-10-2009, 01:03 PM	#4 (permalink)
Xerxys feeling lascivious ... Location: Cary, NC. Blog Entries: 37	^^ Jesus Christ!! Strange, did you just blame capitalism for masturbation? __________________ Proper planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance. Last edited by Xerxys; 10-10-2009 at 01:05 PM..

10-10-2009, 05:55 PM	#8 (permalink)
Xerxys feeling lascivious ... Location: Cary, NC. Blog Entries: 37	NO. NO it is NOT. We fap more because we have recently discovered it doesn't make you bald. Not because we saw on TV that if you fap you will be rich! Leave capitalism out of this! __________________ Proper planning and preparation prevents piss poor performance.

10-10-2009, 05:41 PM	#7 (permalink)
YellowBird Upright Location: Brisbane, Australia	I think I agree that capitalism is responsible for the masturbation and for that matter, the sex industry. however the act it's self is timeless. And Marx is kinda awesome.

10-10-2009, 06:06 PM	#9 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter. Location: Behind the brick wall, inside the gray room, at the black desk. Blog Entries: 14	But seriously, other primates which do not have capitalist systems also masturbate, which demonstrates conclusively that there's no connection between capitalism and masturbation. Yellowbird, read Sigmund Freud's Three Essays on Sexuality. It will give you all the insight into the subject you need. __________________ "So long as governments set the example of killing their enemies, private citizens will occasionally kill theirs." Elbert Hubbard

10-10-2009, 09:09 PM	#10 (permalink)
YellowBird Upright Location: Brisbane, Australia	thanks Willravel I'll have a look at that. As much as I appreciate him, I think Freud was a complete nutcase.

10-10-2009, 09:35 PM	#11 (permalink)
Willravel ... a sort of licensed troubleshooter. Location: Behind the brick wall, inside the gray room, at the black desk. Blog Entries: 14	Sure he was a nutcase, but I guess it takes a nutcase to be the father of modern psychology. If only I were that kind of nutcase, eh? __________________ "So long as governments set the example of killing their enemies, private citizens will occasionally kill theirs." Elbert Hubbard

10-10-2009, 09:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
Plan9 Gorilla Cum Laude Location: Prime Self Blog Entries: 114	This isn't the thread where I post pictures of myself naked except for a thin covering of Cheerios, is it? __________________ "The days go on and on... they don't end. All my life needed was a sense of someplace to go. I don't believe that one should devote his life to morbid self-attention, I believe that one should become a person like other people." Formerly username "Crompsin."