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Old 01-19-2008, 11:03 AM   #1 (permalink)
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SD through HD signal??

I just bought an HD plasma tv and trying to reasearch HD providers (i.e. comcast, directv, etc.). I was wondering if the non HD capable tv's in my house can still pick up the standard signal, while the plasma picks up the HD signal. Or will I have to purchase all new HD capable tvs. Anyone that can share experience in this I'd greatly appreceite it. Also a side note, throw in which provider you like for HD and why. Thanks.
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Old 01-19-2008, 11:23 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Different providers will give different answers. I don't know how comcast does it, but I know that around here you can hook regular televisions up to a digital signal line without the box and get the regular analog signal. For satellite every television you want to have connected has to have a box, but you should have the option to choose between a regular and HD box when you order.

As far as I know, only some of the channels in your HD package will actually be high definition, with the rest being at the standard resolution anyway.
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Old 01-20-2008, 12:29 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Don't panic. In fact, you're probably better off waiting.

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I've been meaning to start a thread on the US HDTV switchover, since it may affect so many of us, but I decided that getting *something* out there sooner may be better than a more thorough writeup later.

Besides, this way you guys can do all the typing while I procrastinate. (Just the FAQ)

If you have an HDTV-capable TV, you probably already have a digital tuner. In the past couple of years, they've even come with the "monitor" (early adopters had to buy a tuner separately). Only people who still want to use their existing analog TVs will need a converter, and only for broadcast TV (aka OTA or "over the air"). Cable, buildings with a master antenna/converter, etc. won't be affected. The converters won't give a much better picture (if at all) but without them, your analog TV will "go dark".

Note the distinction between a digital tuner (for HDTV) and an analog converter (for existing analog TVs).

Congress has a TV Converter Box Coupon Program that allows U.S. households to obtain up to two
coupons, each worth $40, to be applied toward the cost of eligible converter boxes, if you want to keep using your analog TV sets after February 17, 2009. Starving college students take note (and eat something, willya?) I imagine that it'll be easy to get some lovely analog big screens for your dorm this year, for little more than the effort of carting them out of some stranger's living room. (Well, okay, that's always been the case, but this year, you may not have to wait until they are asleep or on vacation)

Between January 1, 2008 and March 31, 2009, you can apply for up to two $40 coupons per
household by calling 1-888-DTV-2009 (1-888-388-2009), going to www.dtv2009.gov or mailing an application form to PO Box 2000, Portland, OR 97208-2000. However you apply, the coupons will be mailed to you.

Or you may just decide to take the plunge, and go digital for the real HDTV experience.

Caveats:
There will only be 22.5 million coupons, used or not, unless Congress authorizes 11.25 million more.
The coupons are only good for 90 days from date of issue and won't apply to prior purchases.
For the budget minded: through I have seen $50-60 converters, the models best are yet to come.
Shops are stalling on ordering/stocking inexpensive tuners, but they should be everywhere this fall.
Clearly timing will be everything. retailers are hoping all those coupons will get used (or expire unused) before the cut-throat competition of the holiday rush. A good bargain hunter may get more for less, even without the coupons, by waiting for the holiday sales. They look to be great loss-leaders.
I have DirecTV, so I'm set.

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DirecTV sends its satellite signals digitally, with its own encoding scheme. Standard-def receivers convert the signal into analog, and HD receivers convert the signal into HDTV-compatible digital or component analog. DISH does the same thing.
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Old 01-20-2008, 10:45 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for the info guys. I'll keep up my search for more info on the subject.
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:08 PM   #5 (permalink)
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HD signals are an addon type of feature. When you get HD from a provider you get both versions if they are available on two different stations.

For example, I have Comcast and I get the SD version of Fox on channel 4 and the HD version on channel 804. If I turn to channel 804 with any of my non-HD TV's all I get is a blank screen, but I can watch channel 4 normally.
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm a Comcast subscriber and have one HD set and a small "regular" set.

The HD box allows me to receive the true HD channels in HD on that HD set as well as the other extra channels, fancy guide and remote, On-Demand and all the bells and whistles.

I, too, have a regular TV elsewhere and without the box, I receive standard cable channels, TV guide channel and the regular HBO.
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Old 01-24-2008, 05:53 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Just to clarify, digital TV is not the same as high definition TV. A digtal TV transmission can be standard definition. The 2/2009 switchover is for over-the-air broadcast only. It doesn't apply to cable, although they will go all digital eventually (once doing so won't mean pulling the plug on a significant number of subscribers).

SD TV will still be with us for a long time - probably until the large majority of TVs are HD compatable.
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Old 01-24-2008, 09:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm not against the change but it will create a huge obsolence of older TVs. In other words, pollution. What else can be done with them except to toss them out? Some will purchase digital tuners, but for many people that's not an option. I've got a 30 year old Mitubishi that works fine (channels 2-13 only) but as soon as Comcast drops the analog signal, its toast. Its in front of the treadmill, not like we watch it much. But off to the trash it will go, along with millions of other TV sets.
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Old 01-25-2008, 12:38 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Disposal will be a big issue. It currently costs $10-20 to have someone dispose of a TV or CRT in an environmentally responsible manner. A lot of people won't do it and there will be a lot of illegal dumping.
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Old 01-25-2008, 01:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
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You shouldn't have to pay. We have specified drop off locations for all electronics.

They're then provided to a local charity which will "refurbish or de-manufacture end-of-life electronics".
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Old 01-25-2008, 06:11 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The cost of recycling CRTs is greater than the value of the materials they contain, so SOMEONE has to pay. Who pays in your community?
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Old 01-25-2008, 06:51 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Taxpayers don't. County doesn't. I'm guessing ARC (the charity that the County donates to) pays whoever does the "de-manufacture". Or maybe they sell plastic, glass and metal remnants for recycling?

It might take months of finding the right parties and awaiting any real response, but feel pretty confident that "the people" aren't paying for it.

Good question, though. I'd tell you if I knew. You know I'll be working on it next week, right?
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:00 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm not against the change but it will create a huge obsolence of older TVs. In other words, pollution. What else can be done with them except to toss them out? Some will purchase digital tuners, but for many people that's not an option. I've got a 30 year old Mitubishi that works fine (channels 2-13 only) but as soon as Comcast drops the analog signal, its toast. Its in front of the treadmill, not like we watch it much. But off to the trash it will go, along with millions of other TV sets.
How will the digital switchover affect you at all if you use Comcast? The digital signal goes to the cable box. If you have cable, you are already USING a digital signal. Cable hasn't broadcast over an analog in ages, AFAIK. This is only for over-the-air, rabbit ears and tin foil kinda stuff.

There seems to be a big debacle over the digital switch for no reason. The vast majority of people will never even see it happen. Are you saying your local channels you pick up by tuning away from your cable box? Comcast offers local channels in damned near every market.

As for the OP, regarding SD/HD signals from your cable box. The answer is really way more simple than all these linked stories and articles makes it sound. You have an HD TV in Room A. So, you have an HD cable box in Room A. You have an SD TV in room B? Then you have an SD cable box in Room B. *shrug* Each TV needs it's own cable box anyhow, right? You just don't get an HD box for the SD set.
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Old 01-29-2008, 05:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I live in the UK, but when I switched over my TV I simply gave the old one away. Made someone very happy, and I was glad to not have it around any more.
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Old 01-29-2008, 02:48 PM   #15 (permalink)
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How will the digital switchover affect you at all if you use Comcast? The digital signal goes to the cable box. If you have cable, you are already USING a digital signal. Cable hasn't broadcast over an analog in ages, AFAIK. This is only for over-the-air, rabbit ears and tin foil kinda stuff.
Presently have 5 TVs connected. Two each with cable box to receive the digital channels, one other has a digital tuner (but does not receive the same channels as the cable box outputs) and two are analog, not capable of receiving digital signals.

Once Comcast goes fully digital, the two that are analog will either need a cable box or be retired.
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