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Hanabal · 08-31-2003, 03:12 PM

Google Has been ordered to block all results for kazaa lite if you search "Kazaa", and they arent even fighting. I think this is cowardly and unless they reverse this We'll find many people switching search engines, which is sad, because for quite a while google has been the king
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What do you think?

The_Dude · 08-31-2003, 03:25 PM

they havent done that yet cuz i found links to kazaa lite by searching for kazaa.

MahlerIsGod · 08-31-2003, 04:07 PM

i just searched for "Kazaa" on Google and everything came up just fine. But if they think that that is going to stop people from finding and using Kazaa they are insane.

Hanabal · 08-31-2003, 05:45 PM

Here's a small article I found

Zello · 08-31-2003, 06:10 PM

That is insane. The only reason I discovered Kazaa Lite was because of word of mouth. The person who told me about it would probably offer the homepage for me to download it.

The only reason I've searched for kazaa on google would be to find a quick download. Blocking it on google would only slow me down.

ack32 · 08-31-2003, 06:11 PM

We can "vote with our feet" and use a different search engine... Or maybe someone wants to start up a database that includes all of the "banned from google" sites, and then people could search with this database, which would first use a web service to query google, then merge those results with the search results from the banned database (ranking those higher, too?) and returning the results as a Google+Banned search result...

Anyone want to program www.GoogleBannedSearch.com?

heyal256 · 08-31-2003, 06:11 PM

I could be wrong, but doesn't Google usually remove the possibly offending items until it checks with it's lawyers? (or was it the other way around?). Either way I think that because of how the law is being used, that they might have to remove the content before checking to see if it is legal, and then reinstate the content after the lawyers say that the complaint is "without merit".

It's really hard to say with the Riaa and everybody else suing everybody else out of existence (or past its existence in the case of napster).

Mr. Spacemonkey · 08-31-2003, 06:18 PM

Ha ha! I really don't think this will make much difference. People who want kazaa lite are still going to be able to get it. I didn't here about kazaa lite by searching for kazaa anyway, i heard about it from other people and it's true it's way way better than Kazaa.

IMO, this will make little to almost no difference at all.

charliex · 08-31-2003, 08:57 PM

id see no reason to stop using google coz of that . its the best search engine by a long way, and the google toolbar rocks

MSD · 09-01-2003, 01:20 AM

This is completely false, Google is not blocking anything.

They're just trying to scare you.

BoCo · 09-01-2003, 08:58 AM

I just checked, and it still works fine. Besides, Google isn't the only search engine out there.

Goomba · 09-01-2003, 09:05 AM

Yeah, there is always altavista and yahoo

Jeff · 09-01-2003, 04:10 PM

If you search for "Kazaa Lite" the main downloads sites ARE blocked. It's also mentions at the bottom that several links have been removed for legal purposes.

charliex · 09-01-2003, 04:45 PM

Since when did google become responsible for fighting against other peoples trademark/copyright violations anyway ?

Thats what the courts are for, refusing to use google because of a legal action against them doesn't seem very logical.

TFP doesn't allow warez serialz etc to be posted for the same reasons, should we withdraw support for it as well ?

Mr Mephisto · 09-01-2003, 04:56 PM

Very well said charliex.

Some people here are just silly.

Mr Mephisto

YaWhateva · 09-01-2003, 06:39 PM

when doing a search for kazaa lite, google gave me like 8 sites i could download kazaa lite from, and this

"In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 9 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results."

lol.

tinfoil · 09-01-2003, 07:58 PM

Google was only forced to remove a total of 11 links I believe.

One of them to Zeropaid, which is a shame.

giblfiz · 09-01-2003, 09:20 PM

charliex and Mr.M got it in one

This is not googles fight. They don't need to get sued for someone elses crap. And They would loose based on the DMCA. So even if they fought it would still come down.

The law is at fault here not Google.

Nefir · 09-01-2003, 09:31 PM

No sir, I don't like it.

I am disappointed and concerned by these happenings. So Google has been forced to remove sites, to keep people from finding certain content, based on the DMCA. Website authors were silenced. The DMCA just violated the freedom of speech, didn't it?

The next logical step would be to force Google to disclose the IP addresses of people searching for "Kazaa" or "Kazaa Lite" to RIAA, for further investigation. I don't know whether RIAA is thinking the same way, but I know those nefarious gears in their skulls are cranking away, finding new and surprizing uses of these ill-conceived laws.

slant eyes · 09-02-2003, 01:35 AM

Quote:

Yeah, there is always altavista and yahoo

i think yahoo is powered by google, well at least i was told.

and it isn't google's fault, it's them greedy bastards, imo

burgerdog · 09-02-2003, 03:52 AM

Considering they ceeded to it, it's nice to see that they posted the legal notice and all the links within at the bottom.

MSD · 09-02-2003, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nefir
The DMCA just violated the freedom of speech, didn't it?

The DMCA just removed Google's links to products which violate intellectual property rights of Kazaa's publishers. Kazaa lite and other versions are illegal modifications of Kazaa. Kazaa's parent company is the one who asked for them to be removed.

ack32 · 09-02-2003, 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MrSelfDestruct
The DMCA just removed Google's links to products which violate intellectual property rights of Kazaa's publishers. Kazaa lite and other versions are illegal modifications of Kazaa. Kazaa's parent company is the one who asked for them to be removed.

It seems overly broad to make it illegal to link to illegal software, doesn't it? I know that the Republican congress' latest kick is all about limited individual freedoms, but shouldn't they focus on the illegal software instead of the benevolent search engine?

What's next, a clause in the DMCA that makes it illegal to talk about Kazaa Lite, or mention it in a public place?

rodgerd · 09-02-2003, 01:23 PM

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Originally posted by Goomba
Yeah, there is always altavista and yahoo

*barf*

Try alltheweb , which, unlike AV has that google-style spooky "it's magic" feeling.

edited - I'm linking barbie

08-31-2003, 03:12 PM	#1 (permalink)
Hanabal Insane Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Auckland	Google Has no Guts Google Has been ordered to block all results for kazaa lite if you search "Kazaa", and they arent even fighting. I think this is cowardly and unless they reverse this We'll find many people switching search engines, which is sad, because for quite a while google has been the king Original document What do you think? __________________ I am Hanabal, Phear my elephants

08-31-2003, 03:25 PM	#2 (permalink)
The_Dude The GrandDaddy of them all! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX	they havent done that yet cuz i found links to kazaa lite by searching for kazaa. __________________ "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity." - Darrel K Royal

08-31-2003, 04:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
MahlerIsGod At The Globe Showing Will How Its Done Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: London/Elysium	i just searched for "Kazaa" on Google and everything came up just fine. But if they think that that is going to stop people from finding and using Kazaa they are insane. __________________ "But a work of art is a conscious human effort that has to do with communication. It is that or its nothing. When an accident is applauded as a work of art, when a cult grows up around the deliciousness of inadvertent beauty, we are in the presence of the greatest decadence the West has known in its history."

08-31-2003, 05:45 PM	#4 (permalink)
Hanabal Insane Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Auckland	Here's a small article I found __________________ I am Hanabal, Phear my elephants

08-31-2003, 06:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
Zello Crazy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vincennes, IN	That is insane. The only reason I discovered Kazaa Lite was because of word of mouth. The person who told me about it would probably offer the homepage for me to download it. The only reason I've searched for kazaa on google would be to find a quick download. Blocking it on google would only slow me down. __________________ Sorry, you can not add yourself to your own list.

08-31-2003, 06:11 PM	#6 (permalink)
ack32 Tilted Join Date: Apr 2003	We can "vote with our feet" and use a different search engine... Or maybe someone wants to start up a database that includes all of the "banned from google" sites, and then people could search with this database, which would first use a web service to query google, then merge those results with the search results from the banned database (ranking those higher, too?) and returning the results as a Google+Banned search result... Anyone want to program www.GoogleBannedSearch.com?

08-31-2003, 06:11 PM	#7 (permalink)
heyal256 Not so great lurker Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: NY	I could be wrong, but doesn't Google usually remove the possibly offending items until it checks with it's lawyers? (or was it the other way around?). Either way I think that because of how the law is being used, that they might have to remove the content before checking to see if it is legal, and then reinstate the content after the lawyers say that the complaint is "without merit". It's really hard to say with the Riaa and everybody else suing everybody else out of existence (or past its existence in the case of napster).

08-31-2003, 06:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Mr. Spacemonkey Wake up Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Nowhere special	Ha ha! I really don't think this will make much difference. People who want kazaa lite are still going to be able to get it. I didn't here about kazaa lite by searching for kazaa anyway, i heard about it from other people and it's true it's way way better than Kazaa. IMO, this will make little to almost no difference at all. __________________ "I hope that when the world comes to an end, I can breathe a sigh of relief, because there will be so much to look forward to." -- Donnie Darko

08-31-2003, 08:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Hollywood	id see no reason to stop using google coz of that . its the best search engine by a long way, and the google toolbar rocks

09-01-2003, 01:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
MSD Super Moderator Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: CT	This is completely false, Google is not blocking anything. They're just trying to scare you.

09-01-2003, 08:58 AM	#11 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	I just checked, and it still works fine. Besides, Google isn't the only search engine out there. __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

09-01-2003, 09:05 AM	#12 (permalink)
Goomba Tilted Join Date: Apr 2003	Yeah, there is always altavista and yahoo

09-01-2003, 04:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
Jeff And we'll all float on ok... Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Iowa City	If you search for "Kazaa Lite" the main downloads sites ARE blocked. It's also mentions at the bottom that several links have been removed for legal purposes. __________________ For those who believe in God, most of the big questions are answered. But for those of us who can't readily accept the God formula, the big answers don't remain stone-written. We adjust to new conditions and discoveries. We are pliable. Love need not be a command or faith a dictum. I am my own God. We are here to unlearn the teachings of the church, state, and our educational system. We are here to drink beer. We are here to kill war. We are here to laugh at the odds and live our lives so well that Death will tremble to take us. --Charles Bukowski

09-01-2003, 04:45 PM	#14 (permalink)
charliex Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North Hollywood	Since when did google become responsible for fighting against other peoples trademark/copyright violations anyway ? Thats what the courts are for, refusing to use google because of a legal action against them doesn't seem very logical. TFP doesn't allow warez serialz etc to be posted for the same reasons, should we withdraw support for it as well ?

09-01-2003, 04:56 PM	#15 (permalink)
Mr Mephisto Of night and light and the half light Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Where beer does flow and men chunder	Very well said charliex. Some people here are just silly. Mr Mephisto __________________ null

09-01-2003, 06:39 PM	#16 (permalink)
YaWhateva Lover of life. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Mexico	when doing a search for kazaa lite, google gave me like 8 sites i could download kazaa lite from, and this "In response to a complaint we received under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act, we have removed 9 result(s) from this page. If you wish, you may read the DMCA complaint for these removed results." lol. __________________ "This is my United States of Whateva!"

09-01-2003, 07:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
tinfoil Fucking Hostile Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Springford, ON, Canada	Google was only forced to remove a total of 11 links I believe. One of them to Zeropaid, which is a shame. __________________ Get off your fuckin cross. We need the fuckin space to nail the next fool martyr.

09-01-2003, 09:20 PM	#18 (permalink)
giblfiz is a shoggoth Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA	charliex and Mr.M got it in one This is not googles fight. They don't need to get sued for someone elses crap. And They would loose based on the DMCA. So even if they fought it would still come down. The law is at fault here not Google. __________________ Use the star one and you'll be fighting off the old ones with your bare hands -A Shoggoth on the Roof

09-01-2003, 09:31 PM	#19 (permalink)
Nefir It's been emotional Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: New York City	No sir, I don't like it. I am disappointed and concerned by these happenings. So Google has been forced to remove sites, to keep people from finding certain content, based on the DMCA. Website authors were silenced. The DMCA just violated the freedom of speech, didn't it? The next logical step would be to force Google to disclose the IP addresses of people searching for "Kazaa" or "Kazaa Lite" to RIAA, for further investigation. I don't know whether RIAA is thinking the same way, but I know those nefarious gears in their skulls are cranking away, finding new and surprizing uses of these ill-conceived laws. __________________ You do not use a Macintosh, instead you use a Tandy Kompressor break your glowstick, Kompressor eat your candy Kompressor open jaws, Kompressor release ants Kompressor watch you scream, Because Kompressor does not dance

09-02-2003, 03:52 AM	#21 (permalink)
burgerdog Tilted Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: All Under Heaven	Considering they ceeded to it, it's nice to see that they posted the legal notice and all the links within at the bottom.