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Dilbert1234567 · 09-03-2003, 03:23 PM

man this card is sweet

SAPPHIRE RADEON 9800 PRO ULTIMATE 256MB DVI/TV 8X AGP

it has a second heat sink on the other side, (connected by heat pipe)

i got a 5536 in 3dmark 03
and a 14343 in 3dmark 01

glophead · 09-03-2003, 03:28 PM

it looks like a waffle

I could just eat it.

JBX · 09-03-2003, 03:35 PM

Whew.

Mr.Deflok · 09-03-2003, 03:47 PM

That's one big motherfucker.

SonicRL · 09-03-2003, 04:40 PM

That looks very Nice O.O;;

fhqwhgads · 09-03-2003, 04:44 PM

Looks like it would take up a couple of slots.... where would I put my 2400baud modem?

propaganda · 09-03-2003, 05:34 PM

I actually shuddered the first time I saw that.

Dilbert1234567 · 09-03-2003, 06:12 PM

it acualy does not take up more then 1 slot, it barly fits it is 1mm away from my CPU heat sink and 2mm from my NIC (pci1)

poof · 10-30-2003, 04:55 PM

I got rid of the same card because it locked up running the TV using s-video. Tried the same 9800 only genuine ATI and 128, yeah, catalyst locked up again.

Went with the FX5900 Ultra, and, taa daa, It Doesn't Lock Up Using The TV!

Runs 5621 3Dmark, but, who cares. It Doesn't Lock Up!!

I still run a 9800 Pro AIW on my desktop and it is great. Running games in the living room on the machine built for just stuff requires an NVidja.

Destrox · 10-30-2003, 05:27 PM

odd, the 9800 is alot newer of a card and only gets 1000 more points in 3dmark2k1

poof · 10-30-2003, 05:57 PM

I might have appeared to not like the 9800Pro. As I said, I still use one on my desktop. The card was fine on a monitor. Very nice as a matter of fact. The ATI catalyst software caused a BSOD (ati2dvag.dll) whenever connected to the SONY <a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=5wu89qpG0qq82pXnVRq2_eVI2gbTPozIEYA=?ProductID=nzEKC0%2eN5qIAAAD4TvefVWqi">TV</a>.
The FX5900 256 Ultra did/does the job with no problems. Each product has its own quality. Besides the NVidja doesn't take up two slots.

Lasereth · 10-30-2003, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by poof
The FX5900 256 Ultra did/does the job with no problems. Each product has its own quality. Besides the NVidja doesn't take up two slots.

The 5900 does take up two PCI slots, unfortunately. It's massive.

-Lasereth

poof · 10-30-2003, 06:10 PM

It fits nicely on my SOYO, using both fans yet, you are right. It blocks the second slot. My apologies. I will post some pics of all three cards in the same box. If someone can host them for me I will pass them along.

bennyb · 10-30-2003, 07:30 PM

I Hope you've got a fan on that, and you are overclocking the SHIT out of it... pardon my french.

BoCo · 10-30-2003, 07:40 PM

Here are pics of poof's set-up:

poof · 10-30-2003, 07:51 PM

BoCo, Thanks. That is a great thing to help out that way. Thanks again my friend.

BoCo · 10-30-2003, 07:58 PM

No problem, poof. BTW, I went ahead and resized them so they'd load faster.

muckluck · 10-30-2003, 09:59 PM

wow, it's very intimidating for a peice of pc hardware. must be kick ass graphics though.

Dilbert1234567 · 10-31-2003, 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Destrox
odd, the 9800 is alot newer of a card and only gets 1000 more points in 3dmark2k1

um check your decimal places, thats 11,000 higher not 1,000

and yes it does kick ass, it runs game great as well as the 256 mgs of ram lets me keep multiple active virtual desktops.

and it only takes up the AGP slot, it barly fits in there but it does not take up more then that.

if you dont belive me ill take some pictures.

Lasereth · 10-31-2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dilbert1234567
um check your decimal places, thats 11,000 higher not 1,000

Those new cards like the 9800 and 5900 only benefit the most in 3d Mark 2003. We put the 5900 Ultra in my brother's PC, and it increased his score by 2,000 points in 3d Mark 2001 from 9,500 to 11,500. His old video card was a GeForce 4 TI4200.

It increased it by about 2,000 points in 3d Mark 2003, as well. It really depends which PC you put the card in. The PC I bought this past summer (before I RMA'ed it back) got 16,000 on 3d Mark 2001 and 5,900 on 3d Mark 2003. If you have a regular computer, the next-gen cards don't increase the performance that much. You need a CPU and RAM upgrade as well if you want your PC to increase in points that much.

-Lasereth

Lasereth · 10-31-2003, 03:00 PM

The 5900 is a damn big card, as well. I took pictures of mine compared to my old GeForce 4 TI4200 before I sent it back to NewEgg.

The FX 5900 Ultra is long as hell, too. Much longer than the 9800.

It extends all the way to the hard drives in my brother's computer:

Does it take up two PCI slots? You betcha! Ha ha:

-Lasereth

arch13 · 10-31-2003, 04:40 PM

Sorry guys, It's just not worth it for those of us in the graphics business. The actual time increase on a 18"x24" real size render in autoCad or 3dMax for the 5900 vs my ATI 7600 with 64mb ddr is uselessly small. Thats because in the graphics business i still need my cpu to crunch the vector data before it can render, making my cpu and ddr memory busses of crucial importance. Were at most talking 15-20sec saved which is not worth such a price difference.
So truly the only people these are being made for is the small population of gamers and those that love the bleeding edge

poof · 10-31-2003, 07:51 PM

What Arch said. I have a few 'puters with different processors, same OS (for reliability and standardisation), different ram, same drives, same mboard, same network,.
It's all good (cliche).
Bottom line, fast processors, speedy ram, nifty vid cards, throaty carbs, computer controlled throttle body or multi port injection, torque on idle, diesel power.
It is all good.

Have fun! As much fun as you can afford, and, never slight the guy coming up behind you, you might be looking at his ass.

Sunrise · 10-31-2003, 10:48 PM

Way too fat for my liking
my 9700 np takes up 1 slot.. but i have the 2 slots beneath it free so it has "breathing" room

ack32 · 11-02-2003, 08:20 PM

The ability to run a silent (well, quiet at least) computer has some benefit as well. You also might want to look into the Zalman Video Card Heatpipe Heatsinks (also at NewEgg) which can silence any video card that's not TOO hot. Buy one of those and a regular cheapie 9800 and you're all set. And then you can re-use the heatsink when you upgrade to the next latest, greatest thing....

Vanquish · 11-02-2003, 08:20 PM

Most of the 5900Ultras take up 2 slots but some do not, so both of you are correct. Just wanted to clarify

scoobydugan · 11-02-2003, 09:34 PM

Even if you get a 5900 thats only 1 slot DO NOT PUT ANYTHING NEAR IT!!!! We tested it at Best Buy.....It killed a 56k modem a slot away

Lasereth · 11-02-2003, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Vanquish
Most of the 5900Ultras take up 2 slots but some do not, so both of you are correct. Just wanted to clarify

The 5900's take up the AGP slot alone, while the 5900 Ultra's take up the AGP slot as well as one PCI slot.

-Lasereth

hy_ · 11-04-2003, 07:06 PM

haha beast 5900 eh? :P

but still 9800 > 5900

Lasereth · 11-04-2003, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by hy_
haha beast 5900 eh? :P

but still 9800 > 5900

The 5900 Ultra > 9800 Pro in an equal amount of tests. One card is great for AA and high resolutions, and the other is better for casual gaming. It bothers me when people say that one card is simply better than the other. It also depend which system you're using it in. Both cards are great; there isn't enough difference in power to notice anything.

Now, if you take the 9800 XT and 5950 Ultra into consideration, that's a different story. There seem to be some who say the 9800 XT is slaughtering the 5950 while others are saying the exact opposite. Only time will tell which is better (if either of them). The main conclusion drawn so far with both new cards is: too expensive for such a small increase in power. Hell, you can get a GeForce FX 5900 Ultra 256 MB for $330 on NEWEGG now. What a deal. I might pick one up later this year.

-Lasereth

poof · 11-04-2003, 08:13 PM

My only problem with the 9800 (I still run an AIW on my desktop) is the software that kept failing under certain circumstances. See my posts above.

As far as AA, shading, filtering, la de da, they both perform well on my machines in their respective roles.

FPS be damned. Too many variables involved. Either one does a great job, and I am glad there are choices available out there.

09-03-2003, 03:23 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Central Coast CA	9800 man this card is sweet SAPPHIRE RADEON 9800 PRO ULTIMATE 256MB DVI/TV 8X AGP it has a second heat sink on the other side, (connected by heat pipe) i got a 5536 in 3dmark 03 and a 14343 in 3dmark 01 __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

09-03-2003, 03:35 PM	#3 (permalink)
JBX Unfair and Imbalanced Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Upstate, NY	Whew. __________________ "Youth and Strength is no match for Age and Treachery"

09-03-2003, 04:40 PM	#5 (permalink)
SonicRL Insane Join Date: May 2003	That looks very Nice O.O;; __________________

09-03-2003, 06:12 PM	#8 (permalink)
Dilbert1234567 Devils Cabana Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Central Coast CA	it acualy does not take up more then 1 slot, it barly fits it is 1mm away from my CPU heat sink and 2mm from my NIC (pci1) __________________ Donate Blood! "Love is not finding the perfect person, but learning to see an imperfect person perfectly." -Sam Keen

10-30-2003, 04:55 PM	#9 (permalink)
poof Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	I got rid of the same card because it locked up running the TV using s-video. Tried the same 9800 only genuine ATI and 128, yeah, catalyst locked up again. Went with the FX5900 Ultra, and, taa daa, It Doesn't Lock Up Using The TV! Runs 5621 3Dmark, but, who cares. It Doesn't Lock Up!! I still run a 9800 Pro AIW on my desktop and it is great. Running games in the living room on the machine built for just stuff requires an NVidja. Last edited by poof; 10-30-2003 at 04:57 PM.

09-03-2003, 03:28 PM	#2 (permalink)
glophead Crazy Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Springfield, VA	it looks like a waffle I could just eat it.

09-03-2003, 03:47 PM	#4 (permalink)
Mr.Deflok Blood + Fire Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Zealand	That's one big motherfucker.

09-03-2003, 04:44 PM	#6 (permalink)
fhqwhgads Junkie Join Date: Apr 2003	Looks like it would take up a couple of slots.... where would I put my 2400baud modem?

09-03-2003, 05:34 PM	#7 (permalink)
propaganda Psycho Join Date: May 2003	I actually shuddered the first time I saw that.

10-30-2003, 05:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
Destrox Metal and Rock 4 Life Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Phoenix	odd, the 9800 is alot newer of a card and only gets 1000 more points in 3dmark2k1 __________________ You bore me.... next.

10-30-2003, 05:57 PM	#11 (permalink)
poof Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	I might have appeared to not like the 9800Pro. As I said, I still use one on my desktop. The card was fine on a monitor. Very nice as a matter of fact. The ATI catalyst software caused a BSOD (ati2dvag.dll) whenever connected to the SONY <a href="http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start;sid=5wu89qpG0qq82pXnVRq2_eVI2gbTPozIEYA=?ProductID=nzEKC0%2eN5qIAAAD4TvefVWqi">TV</a>. The FX5900 256 Ultra did/does the job with no problems. Each product has its own quality. Besides the NVidja doesn't take up two slots.

10-30-2003, 06:10 PM	#13 (permalink)
poof Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	It fits nicely on my SOYO, using both fans yet, you are right. It blocks the second slot. My apologies. I will post some pics of all three cards in the same box. If someone can host them for me I will pass them along.

10-30-2003, 07:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
bennyb Banned Join Date: May 2003	I Hope you've got a fan on that, and you are overclocking the SHIT out of it... pardon my french.

10-30-2003, 07:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	Here are pics of poof's set-up: __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important. Last edited by BoCo; 10-30-2003 at 07:57 PM.

10-30-2003, 07:51 PM	#16 (permalink)
poof Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	BoCo, Thanks. That is a great thing to help out that way. Thanks again my friend.

10-30-2003, 07:58 PM	#17 (permalink)
BoCo Fear the bunny Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Hanging off the tip of the Right Wing	No problem, poof. BTW, I went ahead and resized them so they'd load faster. __________________ Activism is a way for useless people to feel important.

10-30-2003, 09:59 PM	#18 (permalink)
muckluck Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	wow, it's very intimidating for a peice of pc hardware. must be kick ass graphics though. __________________

10-31-2003, 03:00 PM	#21 (permalink)
Lasereth Knight of the Old Republic Join Date: May 2003 Location: Winston-Salem, NC	The 5900 is a damn big card, as well. I took pictures of mine compared to my old GeForce 4 TI4200 before I sent it back to NewEgg. The FX 5900 Ultra is long as hell, too. Much longer than the 9800. It extends all the way to the hard drives in my brother's computer: Does it take up two PCI slots? You betcha! Ha ha: -Lasereth

10-31-2003, 04:40 PM	#22 (permalink)
arch13 Loves my girl in thongs Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: North of Mexico, South of Canada	Sorry guys, It's just not worth it for those of us in the graphics business. The actual time increase on a 18"x24" real size render in autoCad or 3dMax for the 5900 vs my ATI 7600 with 64mb ddr is uselessly small. Thats because in the graphics business i still need my cpu to crunch the vector data before it can render, making my cpu and ddr memory busses of crucial importance. Were at most talking 15-20sec saved which is not worth such a price difference. So truly the only people these are being made for is the small population of gamers and those that love the bleeding edge __________________ Seen on an employer evaluation: "The wheel is turning but the hamsters dead" ____________________________ Is arch13 really a porn diety ? find out after the film at 11. -Nanofever

10-31-2003, 07:51 PM	#23 (permalink)
poof Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	What Arch said. I have a few 'puters with different processors, same OS (for reliability and standardisation), different ram, same drives, same mboard, same network,. It's all good (cliche). Bottom line, fast processors, speedy ram, nifty vid cards, throaty carbs, computer controlled throttle body or multi port injection, torque on idle, diesel power. It is all good. Have fun! As much fun as you can afford, and, never slight the guy coming up behind you, you might be looking at his ass.

10-31-2003, 10:48 PM	#24 (permalink)
Sunrise Crazy Join Date: May 2003 Location: Melbourne, Australia	Way too fat for my liking my 9700 np takes up 1 slot.. but i have the 2 slots beneath it free so it has "breathing" room

11-02-2003, 08:20 PM	#25 (permalink)
ack32 Tilted Join Date: Apr 2003	The ability to run a silent (well, quiet at least) computer has some benefit as well. You also might want to look into the Zalman Video Card Heatpipe Heatsinks (also at NewEgg) which can silence any video card that's not TOO hot. Buy one of those and a regular cheapie 9800 and you're all set. And then you can re-use the heatsink when you upgrade to the next latest, greatest thing....

11-02-2003, 08:20 PM	#26 (permalink)
Vanquish Insane Join Date: May 2003 Location: Truro, Nova Scotia	Most of the 5900Ultras take up 2 slots but some do not, so both of you are correct. Just wanted to clarify

11-02-2003, 09:34 PM	#27 (permalink)
scoobydugan Crazy Join Date: Jul 2003	Even if you get a 5900 thats only 1 slot DO NOT PUT ANYTHING NEAR IT!!!! We tested it at Best Buy.....It killed a 56k modem a slot away

11-04-2003, 07:06 PM	#29 (permalink)
hy_ Crazy Join Date: Oct 2003	haha beast 5900 eh? :P but still 9800 > 5900

11-04-2003, 08:13 PM	#31 (permalink)
poof Psycho Join Date: Apr 2003	My only problem with the 9800 (I still run an AIW on my desktop) is the software that kept failing under certain circumstances. See my posts above. As far as AA, shading, filtering, la de da, they both perform well on my machines in their respective roles. FPS be damned. Too many variables involved. Either one does a great job, and I am glad there are choices available out there.