What do you grab when something goes bump in the night? - Tilted Forum Project - TFP - Sexuality, Philosophy and Political Discussion

twistedmosaic · 12-20-2007, 12:25 AM

You can vote multiple times in the poll, so feel free to check if you would like to have something you don't have. For maximum accuracy, read on before voting!

Two part question, and can be answered by all members, weapon nuts and not.

1. You are in bed tonight. At 4 AM, you hear a window break. Tonight, exactly how things are right now, in your current state of readiness, realistically, what do you bring with you to investigate the noise?

2. It's now the next day, and a kid had just tossed a rock through your window and run off. However, now you're actually worried, and you purchase something to bring with you to investigate bumps. What would your ideal weapon for the purpose of disabling intruders be, without considering price (that civilians can legally own)?

My answers:

1. I have a .38 ACP semi auto in the nightstand that gets carried with me when the wife says "what was that? Go check on it!" She chuckled the first time that I brought it with me, to which I said "OK, either you think it's something, in which case I'm gonna be pretty useless confronting 'something' naked, or you think it's nothing, and I don't have to get out of my warm bed. Which is it?"

2. If I had one, my go-to would definitely be an 18" barrel tactical 12-gauge. I'm not in a very high risk area for home invasions, or I'd have already purchased one.

Fire · 12-20-2007, 05:31 AM

Is that a .38 super? I have heard they are powerful, but have avoided them cause of lack of easily available ammo, and price of most every platform that fires it- kinda niched a racegun anymore.....
myself, I grab a revolver, which one rotates based on mood, but often its a ruger speed six, one of the relatively few chambered in 9mm, favored cause it uses moon clips and is "revolver reliable"....

dksuddeth · 12-20-2007, 07:22 AM

I voted for the flashlight AND a pistol. always like to see what I might need to shoot.

jewels · 12-20-2007, 11:23 AM

Nothing.

If I've been stalked recently and feel unnerved, I sleep with my best butcher knife under my pillow.

Guess I was used to having a big, bad dude there to do the dirty work.

ironpham · 12-20-2007, 02:05 PM

Honestly, I've never even thought about getting some sort of weapon for such a situation. I guess I always figured I called drop kick the hell out of whatever it was that got me up. And my drop kicks hurt.

Willravel · 12-20-2007, 02:16 PM

I grab my junk. One has to have priorities.

Honestly? If someone breaks in I'd just shout out, "You have 10 minutes before I call the police. I've not seen your face, so please take what you want and go." If he wasn't in there to steal, I'd attempt a physical attack, given the opportunity. That's so rare, though, that it doesn't make sense to plan for. Like a lighting strike or zamboni attack.

twistedmosaic · 12-20-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by willravel

I grab my junk. One has to have priorities.

Honestly? If someone breaks in I'd just shout out, "You have 10 minutes before I call the police. I've not seen your face, so please take what you want and go." If he wasn't in there to steal, I'd attempt a physical attack, given the opportunity. That's so rare, though, that it doesn't make sense to plan for. Like a lighting strike or zamboni attack.

So if a window breaks, you're going to yell your little message through your bedroom door, on the assumption someone is in the house? Or is this your way of saying "Nothing or flashlight"

Willravel · 12-20-2007, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by twistedmosaic

So if a window breaks, you're going to yell your little message through your bedroom door, on the assumption someone is in the house? Or is this your way of saying "Nothing or flashlight"

It's a favor to both me and the idiot breaking in. If he has a gun, then I don't want him to see where I am and I don't want to give him a reason to use it. Him taking my crap is fine with me if the alternative is him opening fire. If he doesn't have a gun, then he doesn't want me to come out and break every bone in his body. It's about accepting that there are serious risks involved in a home invasion and finding the best and most safe solution.

Besides, I have triple pain windows that would take gunfire to break and dead bolts on all the doors. The best way into the house would be to break into the roof, so I'm not all that concerned.

Luke Cage · 12-20-2007, 09:25 PM

I would grab my pillow and bite... hard.

Or maybe get the cricket bat out and get all Shaun of the Dead on somone who is unarmed.

Or get the 1851 Walker Colt out if I wanna go all Fistfull of Dollars on his arse.

Or get the blowtorch and pliers and call up some headcracking niggas to go medieval on his ass.

Or just grab the shotty and make a huge mess.

Crompsin · 12-20-2007, 09:52 PM

Honestly, I don't know what firearm I would utilize against a zamboni attack.

roachboy · 12-20-2007, 10:14 PM

sunglasses.

Crompsin · 12-20-2007, 10:21 PM

While she's deceiving me, she cuts my security
Has she got control of me
I turn to her and say
Don't switch the blade on the guy in shades; oh no
Don't masquerade with the guy in shades; oh no
You got it made with the guy in shades; oh no

...

Somebody inform me: What is up with this home invasion / magic handgun fetish?

The American handgun fetish amuses me. They're "sidearms" for a reason.

The handgun is primarily a defensive tool used as a backup to a primary piece.

By "defensive" I mean when you don't have a long gun readily available.

Concealed carry? Handgun viable. Home defense? Why not use a long gun?

Handguns are what you use when you can't get to your shoulder-arm.

A semi-automatic Bushmaster 9mm AR15 carbine with a rail-mounted flashlight makes a rather handy home defense piece for nervous surbanites who might be inclined to have such a firearm. It is extremely lightweight (carbon fiber, can easily be fired single-handedly if necessary), is a shoulder-fired arm (more accuracy, RoF, range), shoots the extremely common 9mm ( even +Ps) from 30 rnd stick mags, and can take most of the common AR family accessories such as sights, optics, stocks, rails, grips, etc.

Willravel · 12-20-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by roachboy

sunglasses.

Man, you really are The Dude. That's awesome.

"You mean coitus?"

Fotzlid · 12-20-2007, 10:54 PM

sic the dog on 'em

moot1337 · 12-21-2007, 01:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luke Cage

Or get the blowtorch and pliers and call up some headcracking niggas to go medieval on his ass.

This is after the shotgun blast to the nads, and before you steal his chopper, right?

Anyway, I'm working my way up presently

Used to be just a good flashlight, now is a flashlight and a 9mm Steyr S9 - a superb pistol.

But as Crompsin said, pistols are best used to fight your way to your rifle. Therefore, a rifle is next - the Kel-Tec RFB, if things work out right on its development. I'm saving my pennies $.$

And, after that's purchased, I'll probably look into a Remington 870 or Saiga 12 gauge - shotguns are the ultimate home defense tool

Crompsin · 12-21-2007, 09:23 AM

Oh, man... I had a Steyr M357 and that piece was a sex machine. I sold it to a buddy after Afghanistan and I really miss it now. Such a comfy, solid design.

...

Remington 870 Express is $300 if you shop right. Priority? ALWAYS have a flashlight and ALWAYS have your cell phone. Tactical safety as well as CYA liability protection.

twistedmosaic · 12-21-2007, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin

While she's deceiving me, she cuts my security
Has she got control of me
I turn to her and say
Don't switch the blade on the guy in shades; oh no
Don't masquerade with the guy in shades; oh no
You got it made with the guy in shades; oh no

...

Somebody inform me: What is up with this home invasion / magic handgun fetish?

The American handgun fetish amuses me. They're "sidearms" for a reason.

The handgun is primarily a defensive tool used as a backup to a primary piece.

By "defensive" I mean when you don't have a long gun readily available.

Concealed carry? Handgun viable. Home defense? Why not use a long gun?

Handguns are what you use when you can't get to your shoulder-arm.

A semi-automatic Bushmaster 9mm AR15 carbine with a rail-mounted flashlight makes a rather handy home defense piece for nervous surbanites who might be inclined to have such a firearm. It is extremely lightweight (carbon fiber, can easily be fired single-handedly if necessary), is a shoulder-fired arm (more accuracy, RoF, range), shoots the extremely common 9mm ( even +Ps) from 30 rnd stick mags, and can take most of the common AR family accessories such as sights, optics, stocks, rails, grips, etc.

I guess I didn't consider carbines when making the poll. Unless I lived on a farm, or had way more sturdy walls than I do, I'd be VERY hesitant to discharge any rifle cartdridges in my house, due to over penetration.

However, even considering carbines, at home defense ranges, I'd rather be throwing buckshot than a rifle round. If I'm going for something shot from the shoulder, it's going to be a scatter gun, not a slug thrower.

Crompsin · 12-21-2007, 10:07 AM

One definition of carbine = lightweight pistol-caliber shoulder arm.

9x19mm (9mm Luger) is a popular pistol round. No duh, right?

Think of a carbine as a "big pistol you shoot with both hands."

Hence the Bushmaster, Keltec, and Marlin models available.

Fire · 12-21-2007, 12:09 PM

there are quite a few experts that dislike long guns for use in ones home, even carbine sized pistol caliber models- this due to the advantage of having a hand free to do stuff like use a phone, and the fact that a long gun is much easier to snatch, and harder to move around with it- not such a big deal if your weapon has a light, and a lot of carbines are much shorter than anything available before , but still something to consider - If you are military trained with a carbine its probably better to use what you know, and I am not sure if all the experts have thought of all the angles now that pretty much everything has a tac rail and a folding stock- I still would not want to try to clear a house with grandads goose gun though.......

777 · 12-21-2007, 12:20 PM

Personally, I'm the last to worry about something that goes bump in the night. I do keep a small LED flashlight my pocket, but if someone is sneaking around the house, that would be a bad idea, since what ever went "bump" will see me coming. If it happened outside, rather than inside, I may just go back to sleep.

Anyway, I know Kung Fu, some Tae Kwon Do, and I keep a black cane nearby that makes for a great baton. So what ever went bump had better watch out.

twistedmosaic · 12-21-2007, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crompsin

One definition of carbine = lightweight pistol-caliber shoulder arm.

9x19mm (9mm Luger) is a popular pistol round. No duh, right?

Think of a carbine as a "big pistol you shoot with both hands."

Hence the Bushmaster, Keltec, and Marlin models available.

Oh, I know what a carbine is. I was saying, I didn't include rifles because no sane person would be flinging .223 through his house, and I had forgotton about carbines when making the poll.

I was countering with, although a carbine has some advantages (and disadvantages, though less numerous and more arguable ) over a pistol, I would still prefer a shotgun over either.

willynilly · 12-21-2007, 08:58 PM

First off, the dog will wake up barking his head off. Then I reach for the Beretta 40 cal in the nightstand. At that point, if I see someone and they aren't hellbent for the door or or trying to dig a hole through the floor and begging for their life then they are getting shot to death.
Anyone who invades a house with a person present and continues to stay there has given up their right to life. If you invade a person's last area of refuge then the implication is that you are willing to confront the homeowner and inflict violence. Therefore, you die. That is family, that is life, that you threaten by your very presence. Bang, and bang some more until you stop moving. No messy lawsuits here.

noodle · 12-21-2007, 09:09 PM

First, I grab my SO.
Then he grabs me, because inevitably, he's been sleeping hard and awakened the same instant as I have.
He grabs his pants and the 12" carving knife from the kitchen.
It's working for now.

Baraka_Guru · 12-21-2007, 09:14 PM

The first thing I'd grab would be reality.

But, in a worst-case scenario, I'd probably grab the medium-sized houseplant we have on a table next to the bed. It would be interesting to see what flying dirt, metal, and shrubbery could do in a darkened hallway.

After that, I'd go apeshit, which wouldn't be pretty. I'm half Irish, half French, which pretty much means I fight dirty (especially when drunk) and only surrender if it will save lives (WWII) or after I've already had a good run at it (Napoleonic Wars). But, then again, the Irish side will likely just carry on until I get what I want, or until I'm dead.*

*The sooner of the two.

View Poll Results: What do you grab when something goes bump in the night?
Currently, just a flashlight, or nothing	16	22.86%
Currently, A melee weapon (baseball bat/sword/hockey stick)	14	20.00%
Currently, a pistol	22	31.43%
Currently, a shot gun	8	11.43%
Currently, other, details in thread	13	18.57%
I'd eventually like to get a pistol for this	5	7.14%
I'd eventually like to get a shotgun for this	9	12.86%
I'd eventually like to get other, details in thread	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 70. You may not vote on this poll

12-20-2007, 12:25 AM	#1 (permalink)
twistedmosaic Inane Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Wunderland	What do you grab when something goes bump in the night? You can vote multiple times in the poll, so feel free to check if you would like to have something you don't have. For maximum accuracy, read on before voting! Two part question, and can be answered by all members, weapon nuts and not. 1. You are in bed tonight. At 4 AM, you hear a window break. Tonight, exactly how things are right now, in your current state of readiness, realistically, what do you bring with you to investigate the noise? 2. It's now the next day, and a kid had just tossed a rock through your window and run off. However, now you're actually worried, and you purchase something to bring with you to investigate bumps. What would your ideal weapon for the purpose of disabling intruders be, without considering price (that civilians can legally own)? My answers: 1. I have a .38 ACP semi auto in the nightstand that gets carried with me when the wife says "what was that? Go check on it!" She chuckled the first time that I brought it with me, to which I said "OK, either you think it's something, in which case I'm gonna be pretty useless confronting 'something' naked, or you think it's nothing, and I don't have to get out of my warm bed. Which is it?" 2. If I had one, my go-to would definitely be an 18" barrel tactical 12-gauge. I'm not in a very high risk area for home invasions, or I'd have already purchased one. __________________ ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻ ☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻☻

12-20-2007, 05:31 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Join Date: May 2003 Location: missouri	Is that a .38 super? I have heard they are powerful, but have avoided them cause of lack of easily available ammo, and price of most every platform that fires it- kinda niched a racegun anymore..... myself, I grab a revolver, which one rotates based on mood, but often its a ruger speed six, one of the relatively few chambered in 9mm, favored cause it uses moon clips and is "revolver reliable".... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

12-20-2007, 07:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
dksuddeth Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: bedford, tx	I voted for the flashlight AND a pistol. always like to see what I might need to shoot. __________________ "On every question of construction, let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text, or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." thomas jefferson

12-20-2007, 02:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
Willravel [wil-ruh-VEL] Join Date: Aug 2004	I grab my junk. One has to have priorities. Honestly? If someone breaks in I'd just shout out, "You have 10 minutes before I call the police. I've not seen your face, so please take what you want and go." If he wasn't in there to steal, I'd attempt a physical attack, given the opportunity. That's so rare, though, that it doesn't make sense to plan for. Like a lighting strike or zamboni attack. __________________ ɯǝɥʇ ǝʌlos uɐɔ ǝʍ ʇɐɥʇ ǝɔuɐɹouƃı ɥƃnoɹɥʇ ʇou sı ʇı 'sɯǝlqoɹd ǝʇɐǝɹɔ uɐɔ ǝƃpǝlʍouʞ ɟı

12-20-2007, 11:23 AM	#4 (permalink)
jewels Eponymous Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: The Space Coast	Nothing. If I've been stalked recently and feel unnerved, I sleep with my best butcher knife under my pillow. Guess I was used to having a big, bad dude there to do the dirty work.

12-20-2007, 02:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
ironpham Psycho Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: NC	Honestly, I've never even thought about getting some sort of weapon for such a situation. I guess I always figured I called drop kick the hell out of whatever it was that got me up. And my drop kicks hurt.

12-20-2007, 09:25 PM	#9 (permalink)
Luke Cage Upright Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Neverland.	I would grab my pillow and bite... hard. Or maybe get the cricket bat out and get all Shaun of the Dead on somone who is unarmed. Or get the 1851 Walker Colt out if I wanna go all Fistfull of Dollars on his arse. Or get the blowtorch and pliers and call up some headcracking niggas to go medieval on his ass. Or just grab the shotty and make a huge mess. __________________ I saw this wino, he was eating grapes. I was like, "Dude, you have to wait." ~ Mitch Hedberg

12-20-2007, 09:52 PM	#10 (permalink)
Crompsin STRIKE FACE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prime Self	Honestly, I don't know what firearm I would utilize against a zamboni attack. __________________ C19H28O2 = C6H2(NO2)3CH3 All your base are belong to us.

12-20-2007, 10:14 PM	#11 (permalink)
roachboy Super Moderator Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: chicago	sunglasses. __________________ a gramophone its corrugated trumpet silver handle spinning dog. such faithfulness it hear it make you sick. -kamau brathwaite

12-20-2007, 10:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
Crompsin STRIKE FACE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prime Self	While she's deceiving me, she cuts my security Has she got control of me I turn to her and say Don't switch the blade on the guy in shades; oh no Don't masquerade with the guy in shades; oh no You got it made with the guy in shades; oh no ... Somebody inform me: What is up with this home invasion / magic handgun fetish? The American handgun fetish amuses me. They're "sidearms" for a reason. The handgun is primarily a defensive tool used as a backup to a primary piece. By "defensive" I mean when you don't have a long gun readily available. Concealed carry? Handgun viable. Home defense? Why not use a long gun? Handguns are what you use when you can't get to your shoulder-arm. A semi-automatic Bushmaster 9mm AR15 carbine with a rail-mounted flashlight makes a rather handy home defense piece for nervous surbanites who might be inclined to have such a firearm. It is extremely lightweight (carbon fiber, can easily be fired single-handedly if necessary), is a shoulder-fired arm (more accuracy, RoF, range), shoots the extremely common 9mm ( even +Ps) from 30 rnd stick mags, and can take most of the common AR family accessories such as sights, optics, stocks, rails, grips, etc. __________________ C19H28O2 = C6H2(NO2)3CH3 All your base are belong to us. Last edited by Crompsin; 12-20-2007 at 10:32 PM.

12-20-2007, 10:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
Fotzlid Junkie Join Date: Dec 2007	sic the dog on 'em

12-21-2007, 09:23 AM	#16 (permalink)
Crompsin STRIKE FACE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prime Self	Oh, man... I had a Steyr M357 and that piece was a sex machine. I sold it to a buddy after Afghanistan and I really miss it now. Such a comfy, solid design. ... Remington 870 Express is $300 if you shop right. Priority? ALWAYS have a flashlight and ALWAYS have your cell phone. Tactical safety as well as CYA liability protection. __________________ C19H28O2 = C6H2(NO2)3CH3 All your base are belong to us.

12-21-2007, 10:07 AM	#18 (permalink)
Crompsin STRIKE FACE Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Prime Self	One definition of carbine = lightweight pistol-caliber shoulder arm. 9x19mm (9mm Luger) is a popular pistol round. No duh, right? Think of a carbine as a "big pistol you shoot with both hands." Hence the Bushmaster, Keltec, and Marlin models available. __________________ C19H28O2 = C6H2(NO2)3CH3 All your base are belong to us.

12-21-2007, 12:09 PM	#19 (permalink)
Fire Warrior Smith Join Date: May 2003 Location: missouri	there are quite a few experts that dislike long guns for use in ones home, even carbine sized pistol caliber models- this due to the advantage of having a hand free to do stuff like use a phone, and the fact that a long gun is much easier to snatch, and harder to move around with it- not such a big deal if your weapon has a light, and a lot of carbines are much shorter than anything available before , but still something to consider - If you are military trained with a carbine its probably better to use what you know, and I am not sure if all the experts have thought of all the angles now that pretty much everything has a tac rail and a folding stock- I still would not want to try to clear a house with grandads goose gun though....... __________________ Thought the harder, Heart the bolder, Mood the more as our might lessens

12-21-2007, 12:20 PM	#20 (permalink)
777 wandering in the woods Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Some where in Southern California	Personally, I'm the last to worry about something that goes bump in the night. I do keep a small LED flashlight my pocket, but if someone is sneaking around the house, that would be a bad idea, since what ever went "bump" will see me coming. If it happened outside, rather than inside, I may just go back to sleep. Anyway, I know Kung Fu, some Tae Kwon Do, and I keep a black cane nearby that makes for a great baton. So what ever went bump had better watch out. __________________ "I don't know that I ever wanted greatness, on its own. It seems rather like wanting to be an engineer, rather than wanting to design something - or wanting to be a writer, rather than wanting to write. It should be a by-product, not a thing in itself. Otherwise, it's just an ego trip." Roger Zelazny

12-21-2007, 08:58 PM	#22 (permalink)
willynilly Upright Join Date: Jun 2007	First off, the dog will wake up barking his head off. Then I reach for the Beretta 40 cal in the nightstand. At that point, if I see someone and they aren't hellbent for the door or or trying to dig a hole through the floor and begging for their life then they are getting shot to death. Anyone who invades a house with a person present and continues to stay there has given up their right to life. If you invade a person's last area of refuge then the implication is that you are willing to confront the homeowner and inflict violence. Therefore, you die. That is family, that is life, that you threaten by your very presence. Bang, and bang some more until you stop moving. No messy lawsuits here.

12-21-2007, 09:09 PM	#23 (permalink)
noodle The Nexus One Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: teetering on the lip of the box	First, I grab my SO. Then he grabs me, because inevitably, he's been sleeping hard and awakened the same instant as I have. He grabs his pants and the 12" carving knife from the kitchen. It's working for now. __________________ Here's how life works: you either get to ask for an apology or you get to shoot people. Not both. ~ House You don't have to be noisy to be effective. ~~ Philip Crosby